Do you know what to do?

[LayinLo]

Depends on his bra size.................did I say that.........

[Gixxerdale]

Originally Posted by LayinLo_usmc

Depends on his bra size.................did I say that.........

Darxide's? And your his brother!

[SDSUsnowboards]

Only if it turned you into a prince.

[Darxide]

hey moobs are nice from time to time. [wink]

[FIVEINCH]

50 miles out.....

[98G]

Originally Posted by RookWV

I would call for help before doing anything.

//You'd be wrong.

//A couple of lungfulls of air and a few chest compressions to move things around can be the difference between life and death, or between brain damage and a full recovery.....Do CPR for a minute , then go for help, unless help is very close.....obviously if you have a cellphone, take time out to call.

//I've seen it a lot where CPR performed by people completely untrained in it has made the difference between living and dying. Don't be afraid to do CPR for someone pulseless and not breathing. ANYTHING you do, wrong or otherwise at that point is a bonus. If you do NOTHING they are dead without a doubt. If you do SOMETHING, they may very well still be dead, but then maybe not.



98G

[pjd]

For 6 bucks I bought one of these for each of our bikes. Fits nicely under the seat. A little kit like this is no substitute for good first aid knowledge, but they might come in handy at some point.

[Adrenalin_Junky]

Is it safe to assume where Darxide mind rests when left unatteneder?
just bussin...

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by LayinLo

Great work, Inspiron. (I'm a paramedic so I read through to make sure your info was accurate.)

A few more things to consider:

1.) If you suspect a head and/or neck injury DO NOT remove the biker's helmet unless it interferes with the victim's airway.
A good way around having to take the helmet off, is to place some object (examples: your jacket, extra shirt, etc) under the victims shoulder blades to elevate them enough to keep the airway open and the spine in a straight line.

2.) If the patient does not have a pulse, perform chest compressions for at least 1 minute before leaving the scene to call for help.
Never leave a scene where you have provided any type of medical help until you are relieved by someone more qualified than yourself. Most states will hold You liable for anything positive or negative that happens to this victim. They can sue you for abandonment and in some cases negligence.


3.) In case you didn't catch it the first time, Your personal safety in priority # 1.

I was always told to walk up and look over the person, check for breathing then just kick the person to see if they geeerrrrooowwnnnnn. If the make a sound help them.. If they dont, kick them until they make a noise....once they respond then help them,,,,,,,Just joking....

[Superbird]

Thats the werid thing.... If i see some one all messed up i dont even have to stop to help them..... alot of people dont.

Its manitory in the military to do that first aid training.

1. You get some one or you ur self go dial for 911. dont yell out some one call 911 every body will assume that some one called when no one really did.
2. Dont freaking move them
3. make sure they can breath and have a pluse
4. if not clear air way by tilting the head back but not if u see there neck is broke. and give 2 rescue breath.
5. wait 2 sec check again start cpr and dont stop till relived or u pass out of doing it

dont freaking tourniquet limbs people think thats the best way to save some ones limbs. Its not if u kill the blood flow its very liky they will have to chop off the limb. Only tourniquet if its the last resort like ur in the woods and ur freind got shot in the leg and has massive blood loss and ur 10 miles away from a phone.

[Zoe Dotes]

Everyone should take a CPR and first aid course. The Red Cross and local Fire Departments frequently offer them to the public.

Approx. 35 yrs ago, after being airborne for 75 feet, Mr. John Q Public took a hold of my head and moved it all over the county asking if my neck hurt. I knew even then that wasn't the thing to do, but no one in the crowd corrected him either.

It is best to learn the correct way to help so as to not harm or kill...

[inspiron]

Okay, the first aid training has improved somewhat in the past 35 years, but still, there are several things that *should* be taught (IMHO) but still are not part of the curriculum, like:

- How to properly remove a motocycle helmet from an injured rider (while stabilizing his/her neck)
- How to call for help correctly (know exactly where you are, roughly estimate the number of and extent of the injuries, speak clearly and slowly to the dispatcher, etc.)

I think that first-aid refresher courses should be required every 5 years, as part of the license renewal process. (Okay, where I live, once you have the license, it never needs be renewed).

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by inspiron

- How to properly remove a motocycle helmet from an injured rider (while stabilizing his/her neck)

Here in the US, they teach you to leave the helmet on unless the situation has become life-threatening. There really is no GOOD way to take another person's helmet off without a surgical saw.

[87gsxrnut]

Also, how to pound beer correctly after crashing to minimize temporary physical pain.

- Nut

[themeatmanlandry]

Yes, "beer as a general anesthetic" is taught throughout the country.

[Scourge]

Good advice all. EMT's, Para's, RN, LPN's, and MD's could all be liable if they screw the pooch and do something that is more harm than good. If you are licensed as a health care provider than your are licensed 24/7, and you are technically always on the job if you begin care. For the layperson, if you have some first aid knowledge, then by all means use it, if you don't and feel totaly out of your depth, then seeking assistance and doing nothing else may be the best course of action. Good intentions can also be deadly.

BTW, MML if the dude was in asystole then you wouldn't shock. You only shock for funky rhythms. I gotta say though that if the dude was warming back up, that is pretty screwey.

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Scourge

BTW, MML if the dude was in asystole then you wouldn't shock. You only shock for funky rhythms. I gotta say though that if the dude was warming back up, that is pretty screwey.

Yeah, they taught us that in school. You can't shock a dead guy back to life (normally), but you can shock a crooked heart back straight again.

[LayinLo]

Shock is not a good word to use.

You only "defibrillate" Ventricular Tachycardia and Ventricular Fibrillation.
You "pace" slower rhythms.
And you and "cardiovert" a few other.

But no 'shocking' goes on for asystole.


And as MML stated, do not remove someones helmet.

[Scourge]

Originally Posted by LayinLo

Shock is not a good word to use.

You only "defibrillate" Ventricular Tachycardia and Ventricular Fibrillation.
You "pace" slower rhythms.
And you and "cardiovert" a few other..

But all three of these things deliver an electrical "shock", or discharge if you prefer till the S-A node can kick back into sinus.

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by LayinLo

And as MML stated, do not remove someones helmet.

I'm taking a special first-aid course for motorcycle riders in August. Part of this training is how to remove the helmet from an injured rider - becuase if the rider is unconcious, you MUST remove the helmet to ensure that the airway is open. If the rider is concious, the first thing that the'll do is take off the helmet themself. If they can't, then it's time to call in the helicopter.