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dizzko · 08-08-2008, 09:21 AM

So I've heard of some people taking the MSF courses and having their licenses stamped for endorsement upon completion of the final test. Does this apply in all states? I'm really looking forward to the course and will be taking it regardless, but it would be really sweet if I could get endorsed by the people who train me rather than through some DMV test site.

- dizzy

**Clint** · 08-08-2008, 09:27 AM

No, not all states offer that. They should, though.

**inspiron** · 08-08-2008, 09:43 AM

A MSF course is the MINIMUM that someone should have before even getting near a motorcycle.

Here's what I went through (twice): http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...tml#post126869

I went through the entire process in 2002 to get my "restricted" (125ccm) license, then repeated the process in 2004 to get my unrestricted endorsement.

44pac · 08-08-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzko

So I've heard of some people taking the MSF courses and having their licenses stamped for endorsement upon completion of the final test. Does this apply in all states? I'm really looking forward to the course and will be taking it regardless, but it would be really sweet if I could get endorsed by the people who train me rather than through some DMV test site.

- dizzy

Took the MSF course 2 months ago in NJ & got my license stamped. I'm not for more goverment rules & regulations but I think they should make this course a requirement before you can get a license.
44pac

sra4031 · 08-09-2008, 11:09 PM

From the Ohio Bikers website about OH endorsement.

OhioBikers.com License and Tags

Great course and highly recommend it. It is amazing how much we spend on safety equipment and jazzing up the ride, but do not think about education.

Check your insurance company for rate discounts as well.

Ride safe and kee the rubber side down

dizzko · 08-09-2008, 11:18 PM

Great news and thanks for the tips fellas! I can't wait to take the course! It'll definitely be the first thing on my list of tasks to complete in the Spring.

sra4031 · 08-09-2008, 11:25 PM

If you can get it done now I would recommend it. In Tennessee there is usually a wait due to the demand for classes. Also in the spring you are more likely going to take the course in the rain.

ranger04 · 08-12-2008, 08:37 PM

OK, I see you are from ohio. Yes ohio offers the MSF riders course, both basic and experienced. Once you complete the basic course they give you a completion card, you take it to DMV, pay for a new license and they give you the cool little M on a new license-by the way that little M will cost you like $20. Any ways in this post I have the MSF course listings for ohio-check it out and do as you will with it
Motorcycle Safety Foundation

Ext1jdh · 08-12-2008, 09:58 PM

They stamped me in Illinois. I stamped em right back. Handcuffs hurt, by the way.

tbsS50 · 08-16-2008, 02:43 PM

In the old days (mid-70s), at least in North Carolina, all you needed was a driver's license. The salesperson taught you the basics in the dealership parking lot. Now, in Colorado, upon successful completion of the MSF course, you're handed a signed card which you take to DMV. Then, for $3.00, you get a new driver's license with an M endorsement.

Davecm203 · 08-20-2008, 06:05 PM

In North Carolina the MSF course will exempt you from having to take the ridding portion of the DMV test. The written portion will still have to be taken. North Carolina does have a "Learner's Permit" for motorcycle. You take the written portion of the test to get it. You cannot ride a passenger until you go back to get your endorsement. There are plenty of people who refuse to get a motorcycle endorsement even though the written and ridding tests are easy.

Michelle · 08-21-2008, 05:37 PM

Once you pass the course in Wisconsin, you can get your M endorsement and you're free to ride. You can get a 6-month permit and then take the road test if you don't want to go through the course. I highly recommend the course however!

imasupahewr0 · 09-28-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davecm203

In North Carolina the MSF course will exempt you from having to take the ridding portion of the DMV test. The written portion will still have to be taken. North Carolina does have a "Learner's Permit" for motorcycle. You take the written portion of the test to get it. You cannot ride a passenger until you go back to get your endorsement. There are plenty of people who refuse to get a motorcycle endorsement even though the written and ridding tests are easy.

A little old now, but thanks for this. I'm taking the MSF course soon, this helps clear up the course/dmv relationship.

Vstar09LosAngeles · 09-28-2008, 08:15 PM

In California, you only get waived the practical test in the DMV to get your license. You still have to take the written test to get the M2 license..

**inspiron** · 09-29-2008, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vstar09LosAngeles

In California, you only get waived the practical test in the DMV to get your license. You still have to take the written test to get the M2 license..

Oh, like that's a major problem ...

If you fail that idiot test then you REALLY have no business being in traffic.

kd5ob · 10-16-2008, 05:38 AM

Comparing the states.
I recently took the MSF course and got the endorsement to get my license in Oklahoma.
Our course was 2 days and we never left the parking lot. It did go through the basics
but unless you hit the street with the students, go out on a highway somewhere,
so some emergency braking.... You really haven't accomplished anything.

Anyway, I lived in Texas the previous decade and took a 3 week long class, 3 days a week down there. Never got my endorsement due to loosing a job down there but I must say the Texas course I went through there was much better. We hit the streets,
we climbed platforms and did U turns and came back down, we did emergency stops, we talked about laying down bikes in curves and what to do in a crash, we went out on the interstates then we did the whole thing over again at night just so we got night experience. Went over sand and gravel. They just covered everything to the point I was ready to ride then.

And all I can say of that 2 day course I got in Oklahoma is, well,,, how much do you value your life???? To me, I would have ,, well. Even the instructor was defending
Oklahoma's no helmet law.

It's just different. Don't know that I really care for it. I think if Oklahoma were giving away licenses with every box of cereal sold, it would have about the same effect on public safety.

Well, that's my opinion.

Charlie

bucky04 · 10-24-2008, 08:36 PM

Most military installations offer it to Active duty, dependents and some even offer it to municipal workers for free. The DOD mandates everyone completes the course prior to riding on base, in the NAVY and Marine Corps it is required to be taken every three years, the Coast Guard requires everyone except civilian employees to take it whether you ride on base or not, not sure about the ARMY and AIR FORCE policies beyond the initial course for people who ride on base, and now the DOD requires an additional sport bike course for those who ride them.

teufulhunden07 · 10-28-2008, 11:32 AM

Yep, I just got back from being stationed up at Camp Lejeune where they were doing courses pretty much all month long. I didn't know how many Marines drove ricers until then. They had to take a special sport bike course. Luckily, they never found out about my gsxr600.. got rid of it now

teufulhunden07 · 10-28-2008, 11:35 AM

Not to mention, Navy and Marine Corps Installations have very strict rules when it comes to motorcycle safety. They require full gear (helmet, gloves, jacket, riding pants, boots) and a safety vest with your ID visible on the outside. If these aren't followed, you can permanantly lose your motorcycle privileges on base

MCMARK · 10-28-2008, 12:06 PM

Any Oregon Riders Have Oppinions On Oregons Course?

08-08-2008, 09:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
dizzko Newbie Joined: Jul 2008 Bike: None Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4	Motorcycle Safety Foundation - Endorsement So I've heard of some people taking the MSF courses and having their licenses stamped for endorsement upon completion of the final test. Does this apply in all states? I'm really looking forward to the course and will be taking it regardless, but it would be really sweet if I could get endorsed by the people who train me rather than through some DMV test site. - dizzy

08-08-2008, 09:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 12,073	A MSF course is the MINIMUM that someone should have before even getting near a motorcycle. Here's what I went through (twice): http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...tml#post126869 I went through the entire process in 2002 to get my "restricted" (125ccm) license, then repeated the process in 2004 to get my unrestricted endorsement. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

08-09-2008, 11:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
sra4031 Third gear and cruising Joined: Jul 2008 Bike: '08 Suzuki C50C Location: Smyrna, TN Posts: 457	From the Ohio Bikers website about OH endorsement. OhioBikers.com License and Tags Great course and highly recommend it. It is amazing how much we spend on safety equipment and jazzing up the ride, but do not think about education. Check your insurance company for rate discounts as well. Ride safe and kee the rubber side down __________________ Jason B Bour Smyrna, TN boozing and cruzing definitely don't mix

08-09-2008, 11:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
sra4031 Third gear and cruising Joined: Jul 2008 Bike: '08 Suzuki C50C Location: Smyrna, TN Posts: 457	If you can get it done now I would recommend it. In Tennessee there is usually a wait due to the demand for classes. Also in the spring you are more likely going to take the course in the rain. __________________ Jason B Bour Smyrna, TN boozing and cruzing definitely don't mix

08-12-2008, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
ranger04 U.B's LoveChild Joined: Oct 2006 Bike: 2006 Suzuki Boulevard M50B Location: ohio Posts: 1,123	OK, I see you are from ohio. Yes ohio offers the MSF riders course, both basic and experienced. Once you complete the basic course they give you a completion card, you take it to DMV, pay for a new license and they give you the cool little M on a new license-by the way that little M will cost you like $20. Any ways in this post I have the MSF course listings for ohio-check it out and do as you will with it Motorcycle Safety Foundation __________________ Pics of Bike -MySpace-http://copronymous.com/images/M50-MANUAL.pdf

08-09-2008, 11:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
dizzko Newbie Joined: Jul 2008 Bike: None Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 4	Great news and thanks for the tips fellas! I can't wait to take the course! It'll definitely be the first thing on my list of tasks to complete in the Spring.

08-12-2008, 09:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ext1jdh Top Gear ! Full Throttle! Joined: Apr 2005 Bike: Sold Location: Elgin, IL, US Posts: 5,257	They stamped me in Illinois. I stamped em right back. Handcuffs hurt, by the way. __________________ I am lurking. I am likely to be eaten by a grue.

08-16-2008, 02:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
tbsS50 Seat Tester Joined: Sep 2007 Bike: 2008 V-Star 1300T Location: Castle Pines North, CO Posts: 62	In the old days (mid-70s), at least in North Carolina, all you needed was a driver's license. The salesperson taught you the basics in the dealership parking lot. Now, in Colorado, upon successful completion of the MSF course, you're handed a signed card which you take to DMV. Then, for $3.00, you get a new driver's license with an M endorsement.

08-20-2008, 06:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Davecm203 U.B's LoveChild Joined: Apr 2008 Bike: 2006 GSXR750 Location: Central North Carolina Posts: 1,103	In North Carolina the MSF course will exempt you from having to take the ridding portion of the DMV test. The written portion will still have to be taken. North Carolina does have a "Learner's Permit" for motorcycle. You take the written portion of the test to get it. You cannot ride a passenger until you go back to get your endorsement. There are plenty of people who refuse to get a motorcycle endorsement even though the written and ridding tests are easy. __________________

08-21-2008, 05:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Michelle Newbie Joined: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 Suzuki C50 Location: Southwest, WI Posts: 23	Once you pass the course in Wisconsin, you can get your M endorsement and you're free to ride. You can get a 6-month permit and then take the road test if you don't want to go through the course. I highly recommend the course however!

09-28-2008, 08:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Vstar09LosAngeles Where Am I ? Joined: Sep 2008 Bike: 2009 VStar 650 Classic Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 35	In California, you only get waived the practical test in the DMV to get your license. You still have to take the written test to get the M2 license..

10-16-2008, 05:38 AM	#16 (permalink)
kd5ob Where Am I ? Joined: Oct 2008 Bike: Vstar 1300 Classic Tourer Location: Oklahoma Posts: 34	Comparing the states. I recently took the MSF course and got the endorsement to get my license in Oklahoma. Our course was 2 days and we never left the parking lot. It did go through the basics but unless you hit the street with the students, go out on a highway somewhere, so some emergency braking.... You really haven't accomplished anything. Anyway, I lived in Texas the previous decade and took a 3 week long class, 3 days a week down there. Never got my endorsement due to loosing a job down there but I must say the Texas course I went through there was much better. We hit the streets, we climbed platforms and did U turns and came back down, we did emergency stops, we talked about laying down bikes in curves and what to do in a crash, we went out on the interstates then we did the whole thing over again at night just so we got night experience. Went over sand and gravel. They just covered everything to the point I was ready to ride then. And all I can say of that 2 day course I got in Oklahoma is, well,,, how much do you value your life???? To me, I would have ,, well. Even the instructor was defending Oklahoma's no helmet law. It's just different. Don't know that I really care for it. I think if Oklahoma were giving away licenses with every box of cereal sold, it would have about the same effect on public safety. Well, that's my opinion. Charlie

10-24-2008, 08:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
bucky04 Newbie Joined: Aug 2008 Bike: 2008 Suzuki Boulevard C50 Location: Key Pennisula, Wa. Posts: 23	Most military installations offer it to Active duty, dependents and some even offer it to municipal workers for free. The DOD mandates everyone completes the course prior to riding on base, in the NAVY and Marine Corps it is required to be taken every three years, the Coast Guard requires everyone except civilian employees to take it whether you ride on base or not, not sure about the ARMY and AIR FORCE policies beyond the initial course for people who ride on base, and now the DOD requires an additional sport bike course for those who ride them.

10-28-2008, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
teufulhunden07 Seat Tester Joined: Oct 2008 Bike: 2005 Boulevard C50T Location: Alabama Posts: 55	Yep, I just got back from being stationed up at Camp Lejeune where they were doing courses pretty much all month long. I didn't know how many Marines drove ricers until then. They had to take a special sport bike course. Luckily, they never found out about my gsxr600.. got rid of it now __________________ Lance Corporal Skillman, Saving the world one block of C4 at a time

10-28-2008, 11:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
teufulhunden07 Seat Tester Joined: Oct 2008 Bike: 2005 Boulevard C50T Location: Alabama Posts: 55	Not to mention, Navy and Marine Corps Installations have very strict rules when it comes to motorcycle safety. They require full gear (helmet, gloves, jacket, riding pants, boots) and a safety vest with your ID visible on the outside. If these aren't followed, you can permanantly lose your motorcycle privileges on base __________________ Lance Corporal Skillman, Saving the world one block of C4 at a time

10-28-2008, 12:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
MCMARK Seat Tester Joined: Sep 2008 Bike: 2008 Yamaha V-Star Custom 1100 Location: OREGON Posts: 56	Any Oregon Riders Have Oppinions On Oregons Course?

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