How to turn when leaving a stand still stop

[HAMMERPETE]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

I don't know, your call buddy!

FWIW, the first wreck I ever had was from me grabbing a handfull of front brake at a crawl while turning (as a newbie . . . less than 100' of riding experience). The bike went right over.

First wreck I had was stopping to much rear brake!

it is true depending on the angle of the bike when grabbing the front brake. The bike is almost pinched at a certain point thus the result is dropping the bike.
The gentle application of the brake in a slow turn can be used but the rider needs to have more experience. The rear at low speeds is what has worked for me. At a faster rate I use more front than rear and modulate the rear depending on road conditions.

[Rickster]

Yes my response was a bit harsh, it was ment to be, people read the stuff here and think the person posting must know what they are talking about and go out and get themselves hurt because they belived it.

It seem our new-be VOLT must be in the habit of drawing different conclusions form information he is given than what was intended.

My post, and I suspect his instructors leson was to use the front brake in the proper maner, yes if you use to much front brake with the bars turned you are asking for trouble, but the trick is to learn the proper use of the brake, not give advice that using the front brake will toss you to the ground.

Giving advice is taken as an indication that you are qualified to give advice, in this instance volt is not.

[tricker]

Volt... rebuttle?

I presumed that rick knew a little of what he was talking about considering he could ride circles around me..

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

FWIW, the first wreck I ever had was from me grabbing a handfull of front brake at a crawl while turning (as a newbie . . . less than 100' of riding experience). The bike went right over.

Yep that's what happens when you do it the wrong way, but I'll bet you went & learned the right way to do it, and didn't offer yourself up as an expert, and tell people that using the front brake in that situation will toss you to the ground.

[themeatmanlandry]

Somehow, I don't think volt intended to come off like an expert.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

Somehow, I don't think volt intended to come off like an expert.

Well, it seems that neither of that participants is willing to compromise so....... I got the popcorn, who's got beer!

[Clint]

I'll jump in and support Rick's assertion: Simple rules of thumb like this are generally wrong, and lead to poor habits. The right way is to practice using all the resources at your disposal until you're proficient, then until you're expert, then to maintain those skills. Saying concrete things like "never do this" and "always do that" don't really help anyone learn anything. They may prevent some accidents, but they also unnecessarily limit a person's growth as a rider.

And I agree... refutations of false information often call for blunt action in order to make a strong point. No one was directly insulted, so it's not an issue.

[tricker]

i was insulted

wait that was here at work by one of our doctors.. nevermind.. carry on

[themeatmanlandry]

I just read it as a "been there, done that" kind of statement, as opposed to a person offering some form of concrete advice that is to be adhered to blindly by all riders.

[Clint]

That's the problem... many humans do adhere blindly to these types of rules. I'm sure you can think of half a dozen in the realm of motorcycling alone.

I'll also add that this is the very reason we should all start on small, old, inexpensive bikes. Some skills are impossible to master without making mistakes to establish thresholds of sensation. I tried in vain to discover how I'd know the limits of tire grip by asking other forum members. The fact is, you can't know, at least until you've felt the signs of slippage for yourself. You can't know how hard to use the front brake in a low-speed turn until you've tried it, and that may mean falling. It's the primary reason none of us should be out buying a 2008 M50 for our first bike, whether it's size appropriate or not. If you're the type of rider to test limits in the pursuit of understanding, you will break stuff in the process.

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

That's the problem... many humans do adhere blindly to these types of rules. I'm sure you can think of half a dozen in the realm of motorcycling alone.

A dozen, eh? Just off the top of my head . . .

1. Wearing gear will make you safer
2. Loud pipes save lives
3. Wearing all black clothing will make you less safe
4. Popping wheelies is dangerous
5. Riding with your highbeam on will get you noticed by the other folks in traffic
6. Having a flashing headlight or brakelight will get you noticed by the other folks in traffic
7. Speed kills
8. Hanging off on the street is a bad thing
9. Riding like a jerk makes us all look bad
10. One should wave to the other motorcyclists
11. A goldwing is not as fast as a crotch rocket
12. Putting your personal information in your cell phone will assist emergency medical personnel

Now that you mention it . . .

[Clint]

I said half a dozen. Good work.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

A dozen, eh? Just off the top of my head . . .

I strongly disagree with 5 of those........but in the interest of peace and harmony, I'm not saying WHICH 5 !!

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

I'll jump in and support Rick's assertion: Simple rules of thumb like this are generally wrong, and lead to poor habits. The right way is to practice using all the resources at your disposal until you're proficient, then until you're expert, then to maintain those skills. Saying concrete things like "never do this" and "always do that" don't really help anyone learn anything. They may prevent some accidents, but they also unnecessarily limit a person's growth as a rider.

And I agree... refutations of false information often call for blunt action in order to make a strong point. No one was directly insulted, so it's not an issue.

You are much more eloquent that I am, but right on the money on what I wanted to say

Also, riders that tell other riders to not use there front brakes tend to get under my skin. I learned how to ride at a time when all "real" bikers preached not using the front brake because "it will make you crash", and you should just disconnect the darn thing before it kills you, it wasn't till I started racing that I learned the truth.

The truth is that riders that don't take the time to learn the proper use of all the controls of there motorcycle, including the front brake, are a danger to themselves, and others that they share the road with.

Volt's instructor most likely said something like "if you lock the front brake when turning at very slow speeds, it will cause you to fall", and from that he walked away thinking that he shouldn't use his front brake at all in those types of situations. Always listen to everything that is said, I'll give you a humorous example of what I mean.

HOW MANY ANIMALS DID MOSSES TAKE WITH HIM ON THE ARK?





If you answered two of each, than you weren't paying attention, because as we all know, it was Noah's Ark.

[geoffsimpson]

....*runs in panting*.....AM I *gulp*...LATE?! I want to take a side too!

[Clint]

You're on the Dark Side by default.

Originally Posted by Easy Rider

I strongly disagree with 5 of those...

I think we all do, which was exactly my point.

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Rickster

You are much more eloquent that I am, but right on the money on what I wanted to say

Also, riders that tell other riders to not use there front brakes tend to get under my skin. I learned how to ride at a time when all "real" bikers preached not using the front brake because "it will make you crash", and you should just disconnect the darn thing before it kills you, it wasn't till I started racing that I learned the truth.

The truth is that riders that don't take the time to learn the proper use of all the controls of there motorcycle, including the front brake, are a danger to themselves, and others that they share the road with.

Volt's instructor most likely said something like "if you lock the front brake when turning at very slow speeds, it will cause you to fall", and from that he walked away thinking that he shouldn't use his front brake at all in those types of situations. Always listen to everything that is said, I'll give you a humorous example of what I mean.

HOW MANY ANIMALS DID MOSSES TAKE WITH HIM ON THE ARK?





If you answered two of each, than you weren't paying attention, because as we all know, it was Noah's Ark.

Here's what volt said:

Whatever you do: Do not use the front brake in a slow turn. It will take you right down to the ground.

I am amazed at the amount of static that you have added to his simple statement. Amazed, but not surprised.

Again folks, I don't think volt was the one trying to come off as an expert here <ahem>. I think he was just offering up a statement.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

Here's what volt said:

I am amazed at the amount of static that you have added to his simple statement. Amazed, but not surprised.

Again folks, I don't think volt was the one trying to come off as an expert here <ahem>. I think he was just offering up a statement.

So you don't mind people giving bad advice that is likely to get someone hurt if/when they follow it, that's interesting, I'll have to keep that in mind when reading your posts in the future.

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Rickster

So you don't mind people giving bad advice that is likely to get someone hurt if/when they follow it, that's interesting, I'll have to keep that in mind when reading your posts in the future.

Once again you have managed to take someone's post and mangle it to prove your weak point. Just like your verbose attacks against volt's simple statement, you have now taken my pointing out how rude you are and turned that into me "not minding people giving bad advice that is likely to get someone hurt if/when they follow it."

Nice.

Here's something to keep in mind when you read my posts in the future:

I'm wishing that you wouldn't read my posts because there stands a good chance that you will bastardize what I write and use it as an excuse to take your penis out and start banging it on the table.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

Once again you have managed to take someone's post and mangle it to prove your weak point. Just like your verbose attacks against volt's simple statement, you have now taken my pointing out how rude you are and turned that into me "not minding people giving bad advice that is likely to get someone hurt if/when they follow it."

Nice.

Here's something to keep in mind when you read my posts in the future:

I'm wishing that you wouldn't read my posts because there stands a good chance that you will bastardize what I write and use it as an excuse to take your penis out and start banging it on the table.

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