How to turn when leaving a stand still stop

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by bluekat

When I took my BRT they had us doing quick turns from a stop by turning the handlebars all the way in the direction of the turn, looking where we wanted to go, and taking off. I think it was my least favorite exercise.
kari

Don't think I'll be trying that any time soon.
Makes me nervous just thinking about it !!

[jprisme]

thats not to good

[SuzukiBD]

I just got out of the BRT class and the biggest thing is looking where you want the bike to go. A lot of new riders just don't turn their head enough in the direction they want to go.

[mveach]

Originally Posted by SuzukiBD

I just got out of the BRT class and the biggest thing is looking where you want the bike to go. A lot of new riders just don't turn their head enough in the direction they want to go.

"Looking where you want to go" So simple yet the best advice you will ever get. My C50 has some minor scars from not doing that simple thing. If you are looking at something that you want to avoid, you probably won't.

[Volt]

Whatever you do: Do not use the front brake in a slow turn. It will take you right down to the ground.

[HAMMERPETE]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

You mention "pressure" which leads me to believe that you are using countersteering techniques when leaving an intersection. Is that a fair assumption?

If so, stop it. Up until X mph (not gonna' quantify "X" because I don't wanna' be involved in any discussions about what "X" might be ), you need to steer it "true," which is to say that you need to turn the handlebars in the direction you want to go.

For what it's worth, I had to park mine (right after I got it) until I took the MSF and got some good info/instruction/practice.

Good luck!!

I am with Landry on this one. Steer at low speeds and push your handle bars at say above 15 mph.
I had the same trouble you speak of back as a newbie. Now I roll out the Hammer almost as to lay it on the ground. keeping a fluid motion until the bike uprights then I throttle.

[Davecm203]

That is really a hard question for me to simply answer. I have been thinking of it for the past couple of days. There are so many variables and different ways to handle a turn from a start. It depends on the angle, how fast you are accelerating, road conditions,... I do it differently a lot. The best thing to do is to watch Captain Crash's videos. He covers a lot of low speed maneuvering and u-turns. It will come in handy to watch and to practice. It will help you a lot making a turn from a start. I have been ridding street bikes for a long time and most of the time I do things with out really thinking about how I am doing it.

[HAMMERPETE]

Did anyone catch the SUPERBIKES episode covering the CHIP?
These Police bikes have it down like no other. The training these guys go thru is intense.
After that show I tripled my respect for the Motorcycle cop. Learned alot too!

[Smurf]

Look.........Lean.............Roll.

Look where you want to go,

Lean the bike in that direction,

Roll on the throttle gently and smoothly.

I also have to agree with Landry, and Pete, listen to the experienced riders.

"THEY WILL TEACH YOU MUCH, YOUNG GRASSHOPPER"

[jgreth]

Landry will teach you how to evacuate the contents of your bowels in a rapid fashion.

[ORBrit]

Originally Posted by SuzukiBD

I just got out of the BRT class and the biggest thing is looking where you want the bike to go. A lot of new riders just don't turn their head enough in the direction they want to go.

I just got done with the Advanced Rider Training course and it was conducted on a go kart track. Lot's of tight turns and hairpins. We rode 40 miles on that track during the course.

Looking where you want to go is SO IMPORTANT not just for basic cornering and line selection, but for emergency maneuvers like emergency stop mid turn and serving to avoid an obstacle in the road.

On the steering vs countersteering when turning from a stop, I think it varies based on bike geometry and rider habits.
I just ran through this several times to see what I do when I turn from a standstill and EVERY TIME, I countersteer to lean the bike to get around the turn, despite the fact I'm going from a standstill to probably 10 mph.
I just went out and did what was natural for me in my everyday riding and that's what worked for me.

Different riders and bikes will behave differently so I'm sure some of you may well be steering around a turn when leaving from a standstill.
The only time I am aware of steering instead of countersteering is when I ride my bike onto my driveway and maneuver it around my truck to get it into the garage bay where I keep it.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by Volt

Whatever you do: Do not use the front brake in a slow turn. It will take you right down to the ground.

I always get a kick out of guys that preach not using the front brake, that's one of the most dangerous myths out there, the truth is that the front brake is your friend, and using it properly will never "take you to the ground".

The thing you never want to do is take advice on how to ride from someone that preaches not using the front brake, because they are the one that needs advice on how to ride.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by Rickster

the truth is that the front brake is your friend, and using it properly will never "take you to the ground".

IMHO, you are right AND the previous poster is right too.

Using the front brake is critical to proper riding (or stopping) technique.

It is not, however, necessary to use the front brake in very low speed manuvers AND it probably is not desirable for a nubie who doesn't have a good feel for the front brake to use it in those situations.

Veterans........you know what works for YOU.......but that might not work for everybody.

I agree that absolute beginners probably should NOT try to use the front brake doing things like making a U-turn, for instance.

As always, YMMV.

[diamond_jim]

Generally it is the combination of a decreasing radius turn and improper front brake technique that spell disaster.

[Volt]

Rickster I guess you get your kicks out of telling a new rider to go ahead and ignor those who tell him not to use his front brake in a slow start up turn?

Rickster you go right ahead and use that front brake of yours while in a slow start up turn.

Good for you to get your kicks.

Let's see you put that bike of yours in a tight slow turn while using your front brake. For kicks; expert, show the new rider how it is done.

[tricker]

Originally Posted by Volt

Rickster I guess you get your kicks out of telling a new rider to go ahead and ignor those who tell him not to use his front brake in a slow start up turn?

Rickster you go right ahead and use that front brake of yours while in a slow start up turn.

Good for you to get your kicks.

Let's see you put that bike of yours in a tight slow turn while using your front brake. For kicks; expert, show the new rider how it is done.

wow.. umm... you must have read something completely different than I did in rick's post? I'm not going to state what i do because honestly I don't know right off hand. I just go with what's natural to me in those situations, maybe I've used the front brake maybe I haven't. Either way my bike has never been dropped.

[Easy Rider]

Originally Posted by Volt

Rickster I guess you get your kicks out of telling a new rider to go ahead and ignor those who tell him not to use his front brake in a slow start up turn?

A little harsh, don't you think?
Do you get your kicks by picking fights?
Or is it that you have a tendency to mis-read things and stir up crap where there shouldn't be any?

[themeatmanlandry]

[landry calling the play]

New dude comes in from the outside, wielding what appears to be good advice-Rickster comes in from left field with the block-new dude nails Rickster with a full body check-tricker and ER are there in a heartbeat for the assist-landry grabs the rebound . . .


I actually thought Rick's response was a bit abrasive. Maybe it's just me.

[tricker]

are we scoring the assist like in basketball or in hockey?

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by tricker

are we scoring the assist like in basketball or in hockey?

I don't know, your call buddy!

FWIW, the first wreck I ever had was from me grabbing a handfull of front brake at a crawl while turning (as a newbie . . . less than 100' of riding experience). The bike went right over.