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das_napeth · 02-07-2006, 05:25 AM

well I haven't gone in to try out a new bike yet but my boss went today and said that the dealer charges you an extra grand for the new model years coming out for the bike to be assembled. is there any merit to this? When my boss said that today I just thought that they trying to rip him off. Can't say i've been told that since I didn't buy my bike new. your knowledge?

**Trapper** · 02-07-2006, 05:45 AM

**inspiron** · 02-07-2006, 09:02 AM

You should be able to get out the door for MSRP, unless you are buying a 2006 bike now, when they've got plenty of stock and high demand. If you want a better negotiating position, try to find a 2005 model still in stock. You should be able to get a better price so that they have room for another 2006 in the showroom.

The only fees which should be added onto the sticker price are license and registration. Delivery and assembly should be included in the MSRP.

If a stealer wants to charge you extra for these things ... go find another dealership QUICK!

Rickster · 02-07-2006, 10:38 AM

Just like every other salesman out there, he is going to try and get as much money out of you as he can. Some dealers will advertise a low price, than after you agree to buy the bike, they will include freight, and set up charges on the purchase agreement. In the excitement of buying your new toy, you might not even notice the extra charge. Once you sign, you are hooked.

Ask the salesman for his OUT THE DOOR price, if he is including extra charges, just tell him you are going to check prices at the "ABC" dealer across town, and head for the door. It can sometimes make your head spin, how fast they drop those extra charges. Use the phone, or internet to check around.

You don't say where you are from, if you are in, or near a large city in the STATES, you will find enough competition to keep the prices down. I find the average to be about $500.00 below MSRP. Even the high & mighty Harley dealers are discounting this time of year.

**Trapper** · 02-07-2006, 09:47 PM

Can you by it unassembled? Stupid charge, they should bury it in the MSRP. Wow marketing in the vehicle industry is awful.

blackie1491 · 02-07-2006, 10:36 PM

They call it dealer prep and freight. Last year I hit so many dealers and the so called combo ranged from $275 to $650. Some posted this with the MFSR, those that did not were for the most part higher.
At peak of the season, this is hard to get removed, especially if your looking at the hot bike of the moment.
If you put effort into and consider that the dealer who is most distant from the action is more hungry for the sale. Then you can find a price that you can live with.
Do not ever feel sorry for the dealer, business is the best it has been in years with growing margins.
If required get preapproval from a bank or credit union then go shopping.
Money in hand wins.

das_napeth · 02-08-2006, 04:13 AM

well i live bout 35 miles north of seattle (seahawks got screwed by refs) so i can shop around but like i said, it was my boss who went in there. lets just say that dealer is less than reputable in my book with some stuff that ive heard so i obviously wouldnt go there. besides they dont even have suzuki at that site. they have a store that sells suzuki about 20 miles away from that location.

jpwM50 · 02-08-2006, 08:36 AM

I paid $250 for prep. Better than the $500 in toronto I was quoted.

blackie1491 · 02-08-2006, 11:27 AM

Here is how the dealer worked my price.
The C50SE had a MFSR of $10,299 plus freight and prep.
Then there are taxes on top of that.
We agreed on a flat price of $9,500 before taxes.
When he billed me he billed $9,310 plus $105 freight and $85 prep for a total of $9,500, then a tax levy for the battery and tires then the taxes of
7% for PST and 7% for GST. Now these taxes only applied to the total amount after trade in which saved me $700 in taxes.

The dealers all belong to a motorcycle retailers association and have an agreement in place to charge freight and prep.
In B.C. it is against the law to sell vechicels with these items tacked on to the price after. The dealers get away with it as motorcycles are classified as recreational. We as consumers should be more vocal.

92Notch · 02-08-2006, 03:26 PM

I did not pay delivery or assembly fees for mine ... I did have to pay MSRP for the bike though.

Rickster · 02-08-2006, 11:55 PM

My dealer told me $6800 for my 06 M50, I told him I was going to buy from the dealer 10 miles away, becaus they were willing to sell 05's for $6000. He said he would to if he had one, but all he had were 06 models. I told him, sorry, but I was going with the cheaper price, and I started to leave. He says OK, I'll sell you the 06 for $6000. I say OK wright it up. When he brings me the papers to sign, I see that he has added $800 for freight & setup. I never said a word, just got up and walked out. About a mile away, my cell phone rang. It was the dealer, he says that he didn't know that his manager put that in there, and if I come back, I can have the bike for $6000 plus tax, and title, with no freight & setup. I went back and bought the bike. We have been friendly ever since, but I check every purchase very carefully. He learned that I'm a buyer, but only at the best price thet I can get, so now he leaves the B.S. out.

tlwisner · 02-09-2006, 10:44 AM

Freight, setup and documentation charges in the US are BS added to pad the price. Some dealers seem to have good prices, and then you get the whammy of the add ons and end up paying more than the retail list price. What a scam. Why people volunteer to be gouged is beyond me - I'd rather avoid dealing with crooks.

I bought the first brand new '05 C50 in Central Kentucky for $700 under MSRP with no add on fees except state sales tax and $15 state registration. My dealer is pretty good.

blackie1491 · 02-09-2006, 12:23 PM

That was the same for me price wise, but I went thru a lot of dealers to find one like that. The last time we bought a new bike was my son's 96 Ninja 600,
got it for $1,250. off and nothing but taxes.

It has become a sellers market unless you work at it.
I can even remember when the dealers were stuck with 2/3 year old bikes and they were going for almost 1/2 price. Pacific Coast Hondas had a MFSR of
$9,200 and were going for $4,600. I still kick myself everytime I think about it.

hammersfan · 02-10-2006, 09:23 AM

I paid $300 for freight and $295 for administration fee. What a load of bs.Nothing was mentioned about these fees, they were just tacked on, like he tried to tack on about a grand for differnet types of life insurance . Over all I found buying my Suzuki a rather unpleasant experience, but maybe that is because the last new vehcle we purchased was a Saturn Ion and the Saturn dealers really are great to deal with. I know that the next time I buy a new bike I will be a bit more Savy

hammersfan · 02-10-2006, 09:23 PM

Somewhere in the GTA. Don't want to say anymore right now but it wasn't your dealership !

PENJO · 02-10-2006, 10:34 PM

You Pay it ONLY IF YOU ARE DEMENTED.

No offense intended. It is bogus charge from the dealer just name and justify another probable mean of increasing price. In order to get it out fo me they have to work it in a flavorful way into the OTD/very final price. I don't summit to documentation fees, Delivery fees, a/o so called Preparation fees. Stay tuned the next one will be TIRE PREASURE FEE

.
No go in my book. One only way I would adventure to pay for delivery charges is if I order a vehicle that has to be order with some especialty and brought from far. There one may have little to no laverage to negotiate it. Otherwise, it is not my responsiblity how you got the product in your showroom, nor it is for the use of your office paper. If paper is the issue I become as ridiculous as they are and offer to bring my own scrap paper to write down whatever is needed. That ridiculous.

tlwisner · 02-11-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammersfan

Over all I found buying my Suzuki a rather unpleasant experience.

That's not Suzuki, it is just your dealer. Like your Saturn experience, at Lee's Suzuki they have the hangtags on the bikes with their low prices - and no add on fees. The negotiations are pretty much the buyer saying "I'll take that one" and the buyer gets an excellent deal. The buyer then sends all of his friends to that dealer. Soon, this dealer sells a very large number of new bikes and has a happy following of customers. It works out well for all concerned.

**87gsxrnut** · 02-12-2006, 09:38 PM

Tell them you want it still in the crate. Have them forklift the crate into your truck, then take it home and assemble it there.

- Nut

02-07-2006, 05:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
das_napeth Newbie Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 5	new bike assembly fee well I haven't gone in to try out a new bike yet but my boss went today and said that the dealer charges you an extra grand for the new model years coming out for the bike to be assembled. is there any merit to this? When my boss said that today I just thought that they trying to rip him off. Can't say i've been told that since I didn't buy my bike new. your knowledge?

02-07-2006, 05:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
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02-07-2006, 09:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 11,770	You should be able to get out the door for MSRP, unless you are buying a 2006 bike now, when they've got plenty of stock and high demand. If you want a better negotiating position, try to find a 2005 model still in stock. You should be able to get a better price so that they have room for another 2006 in the showroom. The only fees which should be added onto the sticker price are license and registration. Delivery and assembly should be included in the MSRP. If a stealer wants to charge you extra for these things ... go find another dealership QUICK! __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

02-07-2006, 09:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Trapper Dogs Best Friend(admin) Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: SOLD Location: Moncton NB Canada Posts: 8,947	Can you by it unassembled? Stupid charge, they should bury it in the MSRP. Wow marketing in the vehicle industry is awful. __________________ PointFlushRetrieve.com - Bird Dog Blog Motorcycle-Journal.com Blog

02-08-2006, 08:36 AM	#8 (permalink)
jpwM50 Clutch Cadet Joined: Jul 2005 Bike: Blue M50 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 944	I paid $250 for prep. Better than the $500 in toronto I was quoted. __________________

02-07-2006, 10:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Rickster Bridal Boutique Manager Joined: Oct 2005 Location: St Paul Mn Posts: 2,914	Just like every other salesman out there, he is going to try and get as much money out of you as he can. Some dealers will advertise a low price, than after you agree to buy the bike, they will include freight, and set up charges on the purchase agreement. In the excitement of buying your new toy, you might not even notice the extra charge. Once you sign, you are hooked. Ask the salesman for his OUT THE DOOR price, if he is including extra charges, just tell him you are going to check prices at the "ABC" dealer across town, and head for the door. It can sometimes make your head spin, how fast they drop those extra charges. Use the phone, or internet to check around. You don't say where you are from, if you are in, or near a large city in the STATES, you will find enough competition to keep the prices down. I find the average to be about $500.00 below MSRP. Even the high & mighty Harley dealers are discounting this time of year.

02-07-2006, 10:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,210	They call it dealer prep and freight. Last year I hit so many dealers and the so called combo ranged from $275 to $650. Some posted this with the MFSR, those that did not were for the most part higher. At peak of the season, this is hard to get removed, especially if your looking at the hot bike of the moment. If you put effort into and consider that the dealer who is most distant from the action is more hungry for the sale. Then you can find a price that you can live with. Do not ever feel sorry for the dealer, business is the best it has been in years with growing margins. If required get preapproval from a bank or credit union then go shopping. Money in hand wins.

02-08-2006, 04:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
das_napeth Newbie Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 5	well i live bout 35 miles north of seattle (seahawks got screwed by refs) so i can shop around but like i said, it was my boss who went in there. lets just say that dealer is less than reputable in my book with some stuff that ive heard so i obviously wouldnt go there. besides they dont even have suzuki at that site. they have a store that sells suzuki about 20 miles away from that location.

02-08-2006, 11:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,210	Here is how the dealer worked my price. The C50SE had a MFSR of $10,299 plus freight and prep. Then there are taxes on top of that. We agreed on a flat price of $9,500 before taxes. When he billed me he billed $9,310 plus $105 freight and $85 prep for a total of $9,500, then a tax levy for the battery and tires then the taxes of 7% for PST and 7% for GST. Now these taxes only applied to the total amount after trade in which saved me $700 in taxes. The dealers all belong to a motorcycle retailers association and have an agreement in place to charge freight and prep. In B.C. it is against the law to sell vechicels with these items tacked on to the price after. The dealers get away with it as motorcycles are classified as recreational. We as consumers should be more vocal.

02-08-2006, 03:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
92Notch Birthday Boy Joined: Aug 2005 Bike: '05½ C50 Limited Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 860	I did not pay delivery or assembly fees for mine ... I did have to pay MSRP for the bike though. __________________

02-08-2006, 11:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rickster Bridal Boutique Manager Joined: Oct 2005 Location: St Paul Mn Posts: 2,914	My dealer told me $6800 for my 06 M50, I told him I was going to buy from the dealer 10 miles away, becaus they were willing to sell 05's for $6000. He said he would to if he had one, but all he had were 06 models. I told him, sorry, but I was going with the cheaper price, and I started to leave. He says OK, I'll sell you the 06 for $6000. I say OK wright it up. When he brings me the papers to sign, I see that he has added $800 for freight & setup. I never said a word, just got up and walked out. About a mile away, my cell phone rang. It was the dealer, he says that he didn't know that his manager put that in there, and if I come back, I can have the bike for $6000 plus tax, and title, with no freight & setup. I went back and bought the bike. We have been friendly ever since, but I check every purchase very carefully. He learned that I'm a buyer, but only at the best price thet I can get, so now he leaves the B.S. out.

02-09-2006, 10:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
tlwisner Throttle Jockey Joined: Apr 2004 Bike: '05 Boulevard C50 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 3,208	Freight, setup and documentation charges in the US are BS added to pad the price. Some dealers seem to have good prices, and then you get the whammy of the add ons and end up paying more than the retail list price. What a scam. Why people volunteer to be gouged is beyond me - I'd rather avoid dealing with crooks. I bought the first brand new '05 C50 in Central Kentucky for $700 under MSRP with no add on fees except state sales tax and $15 state registration. My dealer is pretty good. __________________ Tim Wisner AMA, SCRC Happiness is something we create

02-09-2006, 12:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,210	That was the same for me price wise, but I went thru a lot of dealers to find one like that. The last time we bought a new bike was my son's 96 Ninja 600, got it for $1,250. off and nothing but taxes. It has become a sellers market unless you work at it. I can even remember when the dealers were stuck with 2/3 year old bikes and they were going for almost 1/2 price. Pacific Coast Hondas had a MFSR of $9,200 and were going for $4,600. I still kick myself everytime I think about it.

02-10-2006, 09:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
hammersfan U.B's LoveChild Joined: Jan 2006 Bike: 2008 C90 SE Location: Ajax ,Ontario ,Canada Posts: 1,214	I paid $300 for freight and $295 for administration fee. What a load of bs.Nothing was mentioned about these fees, they were just tacked on, like he tried to tack on about a grand for differnet types of life insurance . Over all I found buying my Suzuki a rather unpleasant experience, but maybe that is because the last new vehcle we purchased was a Saturn Ion and the Saturn dealers really are great to deal with. I know that the next time I buy a new bike I will be a bit more Savy __________________ Ride Safe Hammersfan

02-10-2006, 09:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
hammersfan U.B's LoveChild Joined: Jan 2006 Bike: 2008 C90 SE Location: Ajax ,Ontario ,Canada Posts: 1,214	Somewhere in the GTA. Don't want to say anymore right now but it wasn't your dealership ! __________________ Ride Safe Hammersfan

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PENJO Found second gear by accident Joined: Oct 2005 Bike: 2006 BOULEVARD C90T & 2006 GSX-R1000 Location: PHILADELPHIA, PA Posts: 336	You Pay it ONLY IF YOU ARE DEMENTED. No offense intended. It is bogus charge from the dealer just name and justify another probable mean of increasing price. In order to get it out fo me they have to work it in a flavorful way into the OTD/very final price. I don't summit to documentation fees, Delivery fees, a/o so called Preparation fees. Stay tuned the next one will be TIRE PREASURE FEE . No go in my book. One only way I would adventure to pay for delivery charges is if I order a vehicle that has to be order with some especialty and brought from far. There one may have little to no laverage to negotiate it. Otherwise, it is not my responsiblity how you got the product in your showroom, nor it is for the use of your office paper. If paper is the issue I become as ridiculous as they are and offer to bring my own scrap paper to write down whatever is needed. That ridiculous.

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87gsxrnut Ho Dog Joined: Dec 2003 Bike: 867-5309 Location: Terror Lake Posts: 4,181	Tell them you want it still in the crate. Have them forklift the crate into your truck, then take it home and assemble it there. - Nut __________________ Person or person's unknown.