Insurance cost for sport bikes

[tricker]

Originally Posted by Rickster

I'm beginning to think that English isn't your first language, your posts make absolutely no sense at all. Please proof read your posts, so we can have some sort of idea what it is that you are trying to say.

I'm thinking by where he's from he does speak English... the British version...

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by tricker

I'm thinking by where he's from he does speak English... the British version...

So, am I the only one that's having trouble understanding what he's trying to say. Are you making sense of his posts?

By the way, my post wasn't meant as a cut, I'm just trying to understand what it is that he's saying.

[johns]

you are on abour kids with bike yes that what i am on about mate ok

[tricker]

Originally Posted by Rickster

So, am I the only one that's having trouble understanding what he's trying to say. Are you making sense of his posts?

By the way, my post wasn't meant as a cut, I'm just trying to understand what it is that he's saying.

i think i understand Maybe you need more coffee Rick?

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by johns

you are on abour kids with bike yes that what i am on about mate ok

Have to agree with Rickster, they may speak it differently but there aren't that many differences in the way it should be written.

Sentences should start with a capital letter, puntuation marks make the text clearer and "abour" must be a typo."What i(sic) am on about" wouldn't get a passing grade in any english class anywhere in the world.

We have members from around the world here, people make honest mistakes while posting but 99% is understandable. This is just inconsiderate and lazy.

BTW, I'm a member of a couple of U.K based forums and I've never seen posts like these on any of them. They may have a few expressions we aren't used to but most of what's written is totally understandable and well written in proper english.

[johns]

Originally Posted by tricker

i think i understand Maybe you need more coffee Rick?

thank you mate i know next time ok

[johns]

Originally Posted by tricker

I'm thinking by where he's from he does speak English... the British version...

yes i do speak English ok happy with that

[VIKING]

Uncle bob and Rickster you are so right about stunt riding my friends mom works in the ER and she was telling everyone about a guy that was lane splitting and he surprised an older lady and she swerved and hit the back of the bike and he landed in front of her and she ran over him and dragged him for over 100 yards he later died at the hospital I will be getting a HD no sport bikes for me I might get a kawasaki KLR650 but noo sport bikes or stunt riding for me and I am sorry for not listening to you guys but I will from now on

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by VIKING

Uncle bob and Rickster you are so right about stunt riding my friends mom works in the ER and she was telling everyone about a guy that was lane splitting and he surprised an older lady and she swerved and hit the back of the bike and he landed in front of her and she ran over him and dragged him for over 100 yards he later died at the hospital I will be getting a HD no sport bikes for me I might get a kawasaki KLR650 but noo sport bikes or stunt riding for me and I am sorry for not listening to you guys but I will from now on

Viking. With respect but a few things in praise of sportbikes. I can get out of the way of things quicker on my Gixxer than I can on my cruiser. My dirt bike would have even more before I put on the huge knobbies on it. With my Gixxer if someone comes into my lane not seeing me, I can brake or speed up quicker.

What I find interesting from some riders I meet is they would tell me they wouldn't ever get "one of those bikes you lean over on" just because of their speed or power. Another benefit is the "feel of the ride." Without speeding I can feel the road on my Gixxer. Turns and sloping through curves has a very enjoyable feeling. Different than my cruiser or dirt bike.

Last the people that I meet. With each bike there are particular groups that I meet and associate with on the road. One of the sportbike riders is now one of my deepest friends.

[omegajim]

I can brake or speed up quicker.

Somehow I'm reminded of "out of the frying pan and into the fire."

What I find interesting from some riders I meet is they would tell me they wouldn't ever get "one of those bikes you lean over on" just because of their speed or power.

I find myself wondering "how can you ride that more than 12 minutes at a time" and "the speed, the power don't bother me, but the rest of the world doesn't compensate for the fact you're driving not only faster than posted, but really cooking"

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Jammer

What I find interesting from some riders I meet is they would tell me they wouldn't ever get "one of those bikes you lean over on" just because of their speed or power.

Last year after a highly publicized MC wreck, the idiots at our local Honda shop let the news media come there and do a report bashing sport bikes. They interviewed one future brain surgeon that said something like: "I test-rode one'a them sport bikes, but they're just too fast. I'll stick to a cruiser. Der."

The wife and I were like, "WTF?" Did he get on one that had a toggle switch for a throttle? Did he not know where the brakes were? Moronic statements like this make for slightly interesting news topics to the uninformed, but they do irreparable damage to our right to enjoy our chosen hobby.

"Them cratch rockets's WAY TOO FAST Elmer!!! We should buy us a pony!!"

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by omegajim

"the speed, the power don't bother me, but the rest of the world doesn't compensate for the fact you're driving not only faster than posted, but really cooking"

That's one hell of an unfounded leap of logic right there.

[tricker]

Originally Posted by themeatmanlandry

"Them cratch rockets's WAY TOO FAST Elmer!!! We should buy us a pony!!"

i once asked my mom to buy me a pony... I never got that pony...

[kay]

Originally Posted by tricker

i once asked my mom to buy me a pony... I never got that pony...

I asked Santa Clause for one too but never got it.
The explanation given me by my parents was "too big for Santa to carry".

Hey I ride crotch rockets too, but you must all remember that it's the riders and not the bike itself that get's into trouble. I respect the power that my bike has, and also practice to be able to control it the way I like to run it, and have never had problems.

Don't blame the bike.

[Uncle Bob]

Again with this discussion...........................

My simple view of the "R" bike accident rate.

A newbie with little or no experience has a very high probability of making basic mistakes, throttle control, braking control, tunnel vision and delayed reaction times caused by unfamiliarity with a bike.

An adrenaline spike caused by a unexpected situation X a lack of experience X a bike with more sensitive controls and more explosive response = A very dangerous combination.

Not saying an "R" bike can't be safely ridden responsably, I'm saying it's more difficult to do so for a lot of beginners than a more "sedate" bike.

Some people are blessed with faster reaction times than others and no reaction time isn't related to experience. People with faster reaction times may feel more at ease on certain bikes and people with slower reaction times will prefer others. This is probably why some people will say that certain bikes are too fast for them.

As for the power and or braking ability being a safety factor research has shown over and over that it isn't. When you factor in basic reaction time and bike response time in a situation where you have less than a second to get out of the way there is no difference between an "R" bike and any other bike. In situations where you have more than 1 second, the "R" may be slightly farther away but the cruiser will be equally out of danger. As for braking, canadian studies have shown that heavier cruisers brake faster than lighter sprotbikes. Study also showed that contrary to popular belief, "R" bikes do not stop faster than cars, cars have more weight, four wide friction points and they stay upright keeping their contact patches wide on the pavement.

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

As for the power and or braking ability being a safety factor research has shown over and over that it isn't. When you factor in basic reaction time and bike response time in a situation where you have less than a second to get out of the way there is no difference between an "R" bike and any other bike. In situations where you have more than 1 second, the "R" may be slightly farther away but the cruiser will be equally out of danger. As for braking, canadian studies have shown that heavier cruisers brake faster than lighter sprotbikes. Study also showed that contrary to popular belief, "R" bikes do not stop faster than cars, cars have more weight, four wide friction points and they stay upright keeping their contact patches wide on the pavement.

I agree with most of what you posted, but I have to point out that if a frog hair's width makes the difference between safe and dead, I'll take the R bike everytime. That is to say, if the R bike just barely scrapes by the bumper, odds are the cruiser's gonna' tag it.

R bikes are made to turn, cruisers are made to look at.

As far as braking is concerned, I agree with UB. It can be proven that braking distance is independent of the mass of the vehicle . . . at a given speed, a bike should stop in the same distance as an 18-wheeler.

Auto Stopping Distance

[kay]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

Again with this discussion...........................

My simple view of the "R" bike accident rate.

A newbie with little or no experience has a very high probability of making basic mistakes, throttle control, braking control, tunnel vision and delayed reaction times caused by unfamiliarity with a bike.

An adrenaline spike caused by a unexpected situation X a lack of experience X a bike with more sensitive controls and more explosive response = A very dangerous combination.

Not saying an "R" bike can't be safely ridden responsably, I'm saying it's more difficult to do so for a lot of beginners than a more "sedate" bike.

Some people are blessed with faster reaction times than others and no reaction time isn't related to experience. People with faster reaction times may feel more at ease on certain bikes and people with slower reaction times will prefer others. This is probably why some people will say that certain bikes are too fast for them.

As for the power and or braking ability being a safety factor research has shown over and over that it isn't. When you factor in basic reaction time and bike response time in a situation where you have less than a second to get out of the way there is no difference between an "R" bike and any other bike. In situations where you have more than 1 second, the "R" may be slightly farther away but the cruiser will be equally out of danger. As for braking, canadian studies have shown that heavier cruisers brake faster than lighter sprotbikes. Study also showed that contrary to popular belief, "R" bikes do not stop faster than cars, cars have more weight, four wide friction points and they stay upright keeping their contact patches wide on the pavement.

Uncle Bob, I think you have so eloquently stated what I was too lazy to post. lol

I cannot agree more.

[Rickster]

Landry, I understand why your upset, but it doesn't do any good to take it out on members of this board.

The group you need to be upset with is the very visible 1% (usually on a sport bike) that insists on doing stunts out on the public highways where the general public sees them, and figures we all ride like that.

We have had some of this type of rider show up on here from time to time, but they never last too long, because they don't like what gets said to them.

[tricker]

*pokes head into conversation and starts running like hell*

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by Rickster

Landry, I understand why your upset, but it doesn't do any good to take it out on members of this board.

The group you need to be upset with is the very visible 1% (usually on a sport bike) that insists on doing stunts out on the public highways where the general public sees them, and figures we all ride like that.

We have had some of this type of rider show up on here from time to time, but they never last too long, because they don't like what gets said to them.

Upset? What upset? I just noted that a more maneuverable bike'll make a gap that a less maneuverable bike won't.

Why would you think I'm upset? I'm just sitting here typing stuff.