Two Questions

[Jammer]

Two Questions:

First...I wanted to ask this Question in the Race Forum but found out I didn't permission to post..why? Is there a request for permission status that I would need to do? I looked over the forum rules there, found nothing..so I ask the question here.

Second, I was turning at high speeds....laying the bike down on the side...I was following two Gixxer 1000's. While in the turn...it felt like the bike, in an extreme right turn was skidding...slightly bouncing to the left in the turn. I think I reached the limit of my tires. Does a person just ride this out?

[robm50se]

Jammer
If you were at the limits of your tires - And lets say you were
1st
You dont want to be doing that on the street. There are to many unknowns on the road.... Small rocks, sand, oil - what ever.
Some tires will chatter while on the edge, some slip then grip. (High Side)
Some like the ones I had at the track just stop sticking and your gone (low side)
But to push to the edge on the street is a real bad idea. There is to much crap on the road. You could have good grip one sec and none the next.

I was out with a buddy he on his Intercepter and me on my YZF600R. We were running the twisties. And I was hanging off on a nice right hander decreasing radius. Bike was banked over my knee was down, it was great. Mid corner there was a streak of dirt on the road from a driveway- looked like someone did a burnout up the driveway and spread a small amount of crap out on the road. My front tire hit that and I thought I was a gonner - I crossed the center line before I got it gathered back up. BS luck there wasnt anything comming the other way..

ps
I just hate seeing nice bikes in the ditch.
I know all about people saying - you still have chicken strips on your tires.
Stick to 7/10th on the street - 10/10 is for the track.
Let the other guy through his bike away. - and he will !!!!

Rob

[GABRIEL]

Originally Posted by Jammer

Two Questions:

First...I wanted to ask this Question in the Race Forum but found out I didn't permission to post..why? Is there a request for permission status that I would need to do? I looked over the forum rules there, found nothing..so I ask the question here.

Second, I was turning at high speeds....laying the bike down on the side...I was following two Gixxer 1000's. While in the turn...it felt like the bike, in an extreme right turn was skidding...slightly bouncing to the left in the turn. I think I reached the limit of my tires. Does a person just ride this out?

I refuse to answer this question and support your basic disregard for street safety, taking any turn at a high rate of speed would push your tires to the limit. Why dont you ask Matt Mladin on the Suzuki 1 how he turns.

[dragbar]

That non-answer could of been put alot differently or not at all. There's really no reason to get bent over it.

[Jammer]

I do appreciate the comments about safety; however, I didn't say I was on public roads you see.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by robm50se

Jammer
You dont want to be doing that on the street. There are to many unknowns on the road

Rob:

Thank you..agreed...We were in full leathers on of all things a go-cart track.

Sincerely,

Bill

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by GABRIEL

Why dont you ask Matt Mladin on the Suzuki 1 how he turns.

I sure did get the dander going on this one didn't I?

Much appologies.

Yet, if someone could answer my two questions I sure would appreciate it.

[Louis]

I'll check the permissions.


Edit:
You have the privileges to post in that forum according to your profile. That forum is not locked. Was it the Racing or the 'Nut's forum?

[GABRIEL]

Originally Posted by Jammer

I sure did get the dander going on this one didn't I?

Much appologies.

Yet, if someone could answer my two questions I sure would appreciate it.

Jammer dude Im sorry about that, I should not have read into the question like that. I had just finished watching Matt Mladin lose to Zimke on the AMA circuit just south of UTAH and it was fresh in my mind. Well since you are on a TRACK racing safety i will answer your question. While attempting high speed turns you have several things to consider outside of the angel you take vs throttle vs contact of your tire. Take the AMA circuit those guys do exactly what you are referring to day to day and occasionally you will see there rear will HOP literally or skip left or right. To fix this there are several things you can do one is purchase a tire designed for RACING think the stickier the better but even then to much throttle in any turn will cause your REAR WHEEL to skip its only because the speed & angle of the turn vs the machine is exceeding the maximum about of traction available. Jammer purchase some better tires that should help the problem but no matter what tires you have UNLESS there made of super glue(joke) will completly resist the laws of physics.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by Louis

I'll check the permissions.


Edit:
You have the privileges to post in that forum according to your profile. That forum is not locked. Was it the Racing or the 'Nut's forum?

I was going to post my question in "in a nutshell." When I tried to post a new topic I received this response:

Jammer, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

[Clint]

That's a private forum. The racing forum is public. Just use the Lobby if your topic doesn't fit elsewhere.

[Louis]

Yes, reply in 'Nuts forum are allowed but only him can create a new thread in there!

That's why we had created the Nutty questions go here thread

[GABRIEL]

Also Jammer you must consider your suspension because its a major player in keeping those two rubber wheels on the pavement.While I do not consider myself an expert, I believe I have a pretty good understanding of suspension and how it works. I’ve spent more than my share of time running around the race track and in the early days often off the track trying to figure out what happened. More often then not it was purely rider error but the faster I got the more I realized that suspension was one of the key’s to going around quickly while keeping both tires in proper contact. Most of my knowledge is by trial and error and collecting every tidbit of info that I could find. Most often I’ve found that so called experienced riders were more often misinformed or misunderstood suspension. Fast guys at your local tracks understand suspension. Maybe not in the technical manner but they can express what they are experiencing to a suspension tuner who then make changes to the suspension for irregular handling problems.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by GABRIEL

Jammer dude Im sorry about that, I should not have read into the question like that.

Noooo problem. Two years ago when I got my Gixxer..I made a similar stir by posting the question.."I think I have this endo down but I have one question"

Getting back to the hop. I was thinking...I was using the defult rear spring settings. I haven't stiffened them up at all. Tires for me aren't an option...because I use the bike almost always in the street. It was just that my Uncle retired from CSX railroad..always wanted a go-cart track since he was a kid..and built it. 1/2 mile track. To me it's just the perks of him going through whatever a second childhood.

I haven't wanted to drag race..but twisting around these turns in a controlled environment..is...so nice.

Thank you for the answer on the hopping. I'll be exploring this further. As what I had done about wind.

I could even be over analyzing. Yet I'm sure hoping for a different answer than I think it will be. That is, if you turn like that...it will happen sooner or later...so get used to it...learn to deal with it...or simply don't do it.

Again thank you for your response..and I still invite information from others as well...and more from you too GABRIEL.

[GABRIEL]

Hey Jammer have your tried Blipping the Throttle?

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by GABRIEL

Hey Jammer have your tried Blipping the Throttle?

In blipping I was more worried about having my rear tire break and fish tail.

[GABRIEL]

Yes thats true its something you have to practice to perfect, it just all falls on how serious you are attempting to dive into it. Without making some adjustments to your bike in terms of suspension and tire selection it would be hard to achieve RACE LIKE turning-leaning perfectly with a base set up streetbike, you could come close stock but not picture perfect.

[Jammer]

Originally Posted by GABRIEL

Yes thats true its something you have to practice to perfect, it just all falls on how serious you are attempting to dive into it. Without making some adjustments to your bike in terms of suspension and tire selection it would be hard to achieve RACE LIKE turning-leaning perfectly with a base set up streetbike, you could come close stock but not picture perfect.

Other friends there were taking videos. For not picture perfect..it..sure looked like it. Yet in this type of realm I don't think I can find many that can answer.

You see I have other questions...like...since the track was only 1/2 mile...I found I could out corner the 1000's...out of corners they would start to pull away from me. Anyone can say that "yes it's because it is a lighter bike." Yet...I think in flipping it around on that track..my bike has an advantage. Next, in hard cornering..it appears that one of the most important things is to know what gear you will be in when coming out of the turn. Is that true?

The actual hopping came into play when two bikes cornered..I was second...the rider in front of me..accidentally went wide...I flipped inside and banked hard...I hopped...yet came out ahead. There was no downshifting in the corner.

I've heard there are professional training classes in the Poconos...has anyone heard of them?

[GABRIEL]

whewww this is good stuff Jammer, alright first in regards to your bike being lighter therefor you out conered the 1000's that is relative to the input of the actual riders meaning how you vs your buddys handled your machines because if one thing I have learned racing is that rider imput infleunces more so in the corners than anywhere else on the track. Second knowing which gear you will be in when coming out of the HARD CORNER is not as important as maximizing what gear you go into the corner in, as well as what gear you are you most comfortable in riding. Jammer to be honest if you really want the best you should attend the best I have info on a GREAT Racing track in Atlanta where you could really maximize your abilitys on the track if you want to go that far. But if you dont hear is another GREAT racing school in PA, http://www.classrides.com/ Jammer when you passed your buddys inside and banked your tire hopping was normal, you did nothing but strench your suspension, tire grip to the MAX and you had to hold a mean angle so its the norm it happens however it happans LESS with more expierence.

[Jammer]

Thank you...I got the answers I needed.