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**inspiron** · 06-20-2006, 11:02 AM

No, they are two different systems.

ABS = "Anti-Blockier-System" = Anti-lock brakes. With ABS, a sensor detects if the vehicle is still moving, but a wheel is about to lock up, and pulses the brake to prevent the wheel from losing traction and skidding.

Fully Integrated brakes = when you use the brake lever (hand or foot), a computer distributes the braking to both the front and rear brakes to give you optimal stopping power.

Partially Integrated brakes = when you use the front brake handle, the braking power is distributed to both the front and rear brakes. When you step on the rear brake lever, only the rear brake engages.

intimid8er, what you mentioned were fully-integrated brakes, which I don't like (and don't see offered much anymore). Partially Integrated brakes solve this problem - if you use the front brake, it activates both, but if you use the rear brake, it only activates the rear. This prevents the slow-speed braking problems you mentioned.

**intimid8er** · 06-20-2006, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inspiron

No, they are two different systems.

ABS = "Anti-Blockier-System" = Anti-lock brakes. With ABS, a sensor detects if the vehicle is still moving, but a wheel is about to lock up, and pulses the brake to prevent the wheel from losing traction and skidding.

Fully Integrated brakes = when you use the brake lever (hand or foot), a computer distributes the braking to both the front and rear brakes to give you optimal stopping power.

Partially Integrated brakes = when you use the front brake handle, the braking power is distributed to both the front and rear brakes. When you step on the rear brake lever, only the rear brake engages.

intimid8er, what you mentioned were fully-integrated brakes, which I don't like (and don't see offered much anymore). Partially Integrated brakes solve this problem - if you use the front brake, it activates both, but if you use the rear brake, it only activates the rear. This prevents the slow-speed braking problems you mentioned.

Cool Jim. Thanks!! I was unaware of this development. I'll Google it and read up on it.

GABRIEL · 06-20-2006, 11:24 AM

wheewww I knew I wasnt loosing my mind YAHOOOOOOO ABS

St0nkingByte · 06-20-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis

The 650 is available with ABS in 2007

I wonder how mad my wife would be...

robm50se · 06-21-2006, 01:14 AM

I had 4 wheel ABS on the Jimmy I had - It was done VERY POORLY and if all cars with it are like the Jimmy - Very false sense of security....
Here is what hap to me....
The edge of the road was covered in ice - but the center was clear and dry. I was comming up on a stop sign and there was a car turing into the road I was on - so I moved over to let him by - so now I have the 2 passenger side wheels on bare ice, the 2 driver side wheels are on DRY PAVEMENT......
I push down on the brake for the stop sign and the antilocks start doing there thing, because the 2 passenger wheels want to lock up on the ice...
Im not slowing down - I stand on the brake - lots more noise NO REDUCTION IN SPEED - I go through the stop sign.......
Why would this be you ask...
Here is why
Since GM doesnt sense individual wheel GRIP and the 2 passenger wheels were trying to lock - the system gave me equal braking capabilities on ALL 4 WHEELS - so the 2 wheels that were on DRY PAVEMENT got the same amount of stopping power as the 2 on the ice..
So how the (He***) did that get by the brain childs at GM...????????
Too much education and not enough common sense ???

So for me stick the antilocks where the sun doesnt shine (on cars that is)

As for bikes - might be a good idea !!

As for linked brakes - BAD IDEA
A friend of mine has a new Intercepter and I was not inpressed at all.
As a test - I tried to lock the back brake - new riders tend to use back brakes alot more than front. Even if I stood all my weight on it - it just barely slowed me down. Not inpressed - but hey new riders will never have to worry about locking that back tire up !!!! And quickly learn what that lever is on the bars.

Rob

**inspiron** · 06-21-2006, 03:10 AM

Rob, believe it or not, GM is not the best manufacturer. Most European car manufacturers have extremly good ABS systems (ABS = Anti-Blockier-System ... German!).

In the situation you describe, any moderately intelligent ABS system will measure each wheel independently. It sounds like the Jimmy had a low-end, "let's make it as cheap as possible" ABS solution with a central computer, rather than independent sensors for each wheel.

I have had cars that didn't have ABS, which ended up costing me over $1000 for a new set of tires. I had an '87 Acura Integra - they didn't offer ABS back then. I was driving up the Ventura freeway outside Los Angeles, doing about 70 mph. There was a large pickup truck was in the right lane in front of me which had plywood "walls" around the bed. Well, the plywood was old, and at freeway speeds, a large piece of wood broke off and came flying right at my windshield. I stomped on the brakes - from 70 to 0 in a cloud of rubber. I had locked up all 4 tires - and flat-spotted all of them. As I started rolling again ... wump, wump, wump, ...

... I had Michelin's, rated for 50'000 miles, with less than 10'000 miles on them. Ruined.

Since then, ALL of my cars have had ABS, and it has saved my *** several times. Last time was on the German Autobahn - I was doing about 180kmh (110 mph) when some idiot merged into my lane doing about 60kmh (40mph). I couldn't change lanes because there was a car to my left. So I stomped on the brakes, hit the horn, and as soon as the car to my left had passed me, I swerved into the passing lane (still on the brakes). Without ABS, there was no way I would have come out of that situation with nothing more than dirty underwear.

**Trapper** · 06-21-2006, 08:16 AM

O/T VW is re-introducing the Rabbit. * My first car was a Rabbit.

**Louis** · 06-21-2006, 08:36 AM

den064 · 06-21-2006, 09:12 AM

I rode my Dads bike an BMW R1200GS with ABS and tried it out in a parking lot with and without ABS it has a stwich and I found that the ABS stopped me better then with out ABS but I was only going 25 on a paved parking lot the next bike I get will have ABS but I think Dual Rotors are Key. Also that is my biggest problem with my M50 is that it dosent have dual rotors.

GABRIEL · 06-21-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by den064

I rode my Dads bike an BMW R1200GS with ABS and tried it out in a parking lot with and without ABS it has a stwich and I found that the ABS stopped me better then with out ABS but I was only going 25 on a paved parking lot the next bike I get will have ABS but I think Dual Rotors are Key. Also that is my biggest problem with my M50 is that it dosent have dual rotors.

Are you referring to dual rotors in the back?????

**Louis** · 06-21-2006, 09:48 AM

The 1200Gs has 2 rotors in the front, but only 1 on the rear wheel.

The M50 has a single rotor on the front wheel!

06-20-2006, 11:02 AM	#21 (permalink)
inspiron Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 13,036	No, they are two different systems. ABS = "Anti-Blockier-System" = Anti-lock brakes. With ABS, a sensor detects if the vehicle is still moving, but a wheel is about to lock up, and pulses the brake to prevent the wheel from losing traction and skidding. Fully Integrated brakes = when you use the brake lever (hand or foot), a computer distributes the braking to both the front and rear brakes to give you optimal stopping power. Partially Integrated brakes = when you use the front brake handle, the braking power is distributed to both the front and rear brakes. When you step on the rear brake lever, only the rear brake engages. intimid8er, what you mentioned were fully-integrated brakes, which I don't like (and don't see offered much anymore). Partially Integrated brakes solve this problem - if you use the front brake, it activates both, but if you use the rear brake, it only activates the rear. This prevents the slow-speed braking problems you mentioned. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

06-20-2006, 11:24 AM	#23 (permalink)
GABRIEL Third gear and cruising Join Date: Jun 2006 Bike: 2006 GSX-R 600 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 544	wheewww I knew I wasnt loosing my mind YAHOOOOOOO ABS __________________

06-21-2006, 03:10 AM	#26 (permalink)
inspiron Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 13,036	Rob, believe it or not, GM is not the best manufacturer. Most European car manufacturers have extremly good ABS systems (ABS = Anti-Blockier-System ... German!). In the situation you describe, any moderately intelligent ABS system will measure each wheel independently. It sounds like the Jimmy had a low-end, "let's make it as cheap as possible" ABS solution with a central computer, rather than independent sensors for each wheel. I have had cars that didn't have ABS, which ended up costing me over $1000 for a new set of tires. I had an '87 Acura Integra - they didn't offer ABS back then. I was driving up the Ventura freeway outside Los Angeles, doing about 70 mph. There was a large pickup truck was in the right lane in front of me which had plywood "walls" around the bed. Well, the plywood was old, and at freeway speeds, a large piece of wood broke off and came flying right at my windshield. I stomped on the brakes - from 70 to 0 in a cloud of rubber. I had locked up all 4 tires - and flat-spotted all of them. As I started rolling again ... wump, wump, wump, ... ... I had Michelin's, rated for 50'000 miles, with less than 10'000 miles on them. Ruined. Since then, ALL of my cars have had ABS, and it has saved my * several times. Last time was on the German Autobahn - I was doing about 180kmh (110 mph) when some idiot merged into my lane doing about 60kmh (40mph). I couldn't change lanes because there was a car to my left. So I stomped on the brakes, hit the horn, and as soon as the car to my left had passed me, I swerved into the passing lane (still on the brakes). Without ABS, there was no way I would have come out of that situation with nothing more than dirty underwear. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.** - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

06-21-2006, 08:16 AM	#27 (permalink)
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06-21-2006, 08:36 AM	#28 (permalink)
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06-21-2006, 01:14 AM	#25 (permalink)
robm50se Where Am I ? Join Date: Jun 2006 Bike: C50SE,YZF600R,DT200R Location: Halifax,NS Canada Posts: 44	I had 4 wheel ABS on the Jimmy I had - It was done VERY POORLY and if all cars with it are like the Jimmy - Very false sense of security.... Here is what hap to me.... The edge of the road was covered in ice - but the center was clear and dry. I was comming up on a stop sign and there was a car turing into the road I was on - so I moved over to let him by - so now I have the 2 passenger side wheels on bare ice, the 2 driver side wheels are on DRY PAVEMENT...... I push down on the brake for the stop sign and the antilocks start doing there thing, because the 2 passenger wheels want to lock up on the ice... Im not slowing down - I stand on the brake - lots more noise NO REDUCTION IN SPEED - I go through the stop sign....... Why would this be you ask... Here is why Since GM doesnt sense individual wheel GRIP and the 2 passenger wheels were trying to lock - the system gave me equal braking capabilities on ALL 4 WHEELS - so the 2 wheels that were on DRY PAVEMENT got the same amount of stopping power as the 2 on the ice.. So how the (He***) did that get by the brain childs at GM...???????? Too much education and not enough common sense ??? So for me stick the antilocks where the sun doesnt shine (on cars that is) As for bikes - might be a good idea !! As for linked brakes - BAD IDEA A friend of mine has a new Intercepter and I was not inpressed at all. As a test - I tried to lock the back brake - new riders tend to use back brakes alot more than front. Even if I stood all my weight on it - it just barely slowed me down. Not inpressed - but hey new riders will never have to worry about locking that back tire up !!!! And quickly learn what that lever is on the bars. Rob

06-21-2006, 09:12 AM	#29 (permalink)
den064 Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Bike: 2005 M50 Black Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 17	I rode my Dads bike an BMW R1200GS with ABS and tried it out in a parking lot with and without ABS it has a stwich and I found that the ABS stopped me better then with out ABS but I was only going 25 on a paved parking lot the next bike I get will have ABS but I think Dual Rotors are Key. Also that is my biggest problem with my M50 is that it dosent have dual rotors.

06-21-2006, 09:48 AM	#31 (permalink)
Louis Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Bike: SV650S '05 (Blue) Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada Posts: 10,689	The 1200Gs has 2 rotors in the front, but only 1 on the rear wheel. The M50 has a single rotor on the front wheel! __________________ Louis

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