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Everett Keith · 04-18-2006, 08:33 PM

I have an M-50 and my son has a 1000 suzuki and we both love bikes so thats why I posted here.

**drgibson** · 04-18-2006, 08:44 PM

Yo Everett Thunder Manufacturing claims that there air kit can boot hp and they show dyno results to prove it. Why do you clam it can"t.

BTW look forward to seeing you in Tenn.

GIXXER-Mike · 04-18-2006, 08:47 PM

They must've set some kinda back-and-forth record on this FORUM! Anybody been keeping tabs

?

Everett Keith · 04-18-2006, 08:47 PM

It can boost it but the engine can only produce to its mechanical linits.

**drgibson** · 04-18-2006, 08:50 PM

Ahh I get it!

Everett Keith · 04-18-2006, 08:55 PM

Could it be that somebody lost a RACE and there a little sore about it. Just a thought.

svbuckmaster · 04-25-2006, 11:32 PM

I have a 2005 SV650 w/ a K & N intake and a Yoshi RS-3 slip on. After installing the Power Commander and testing it on the street, I was dissatissified. The bike really didn't feal any better with or without it. I finally took my bike to have it dyno tested. I discovered that I had .5 less HP with the PC than without it. I modified that map a little bit and squeezed another 2 HP out of the PC, but am still not happy with the results. I am currently trying to resolve this problem with dynojet. Before you purchase a Power Commander, check with other riders with the same bike to see if anyone has had any problems similar to mine.

SVBuckmaster

GIXXER-Mike · 04-25-2006, 11:43 PM

Now that post can actually save somebody $800 or more.

dichotomous · 04-26-2006, 08:03 AM

definately, if I were reading and thinking of getting one I wouldnt. Anyways, what map did you use that was no good and what map did you use that was good? also what did the curve look like? did it KEEP that 2hp gain throughout the powerband? I am not really interested in peak power, dont care, I like the idea of a little extra throughout and a smoother band though

Jammer · 05-01-2006, 08:47 PM

Here's what I did...I got the K&N and a Tri-Oval Pipe..I was ready to get a power commander..and my dealer told me how they could remap the engine. I didn't buy my Gixxer to save money; however, you have to have noticed..something..just isn't in sync with the pipe and the air filter. So I opted for the service manager's advice and had it remapped. I'm personally glad I took this option. My friend with the same bike and power commander..note he is also the one with the change in sprocket I spoke of earlier..can adjust his tuning. But mine I just turn the key and ride.

ForbidInjustice · 05-04-2006, 12:50 AM

Because of all the bickering, I really didn't read most of the previous posts. Nice job, guys!

I picked up a brand new Power Commander III USB for my bike for $199 on eBay, so I'm not sorry at all that I bought it.. but can I tell a difference with the bike? Not much. If I was a 10+ year rider, I probably could notice a huge difference on certain settings. The thing that I have found, though, is that my gas mileage is a better. I think going from 37mpg to 40-41mpg is quite significant. I used the map for K&N Filter and Two Bros. exhaust.. the fuel delivery for LOW throttle was a little high, and for the first tank of gas after installing the Power Commander, my gas mileage was low. I reprogrammed it and set the LOW throttle a bit lower so it won't give it as much gas [because you're in low throttle most of the time anyway], and my gas mileage is superb!

MID throttle I set a little above the middle.. for those times in sixth gear where I'm on the highway, and need to crank the throttle to pass someone.. the fuel will be there.

My local bike shop guy has an FI system remapper computer program tool hookup thing... he does it, specific to the bike hardware, for $125. I didn't opt for that, because of how cheap I got the PC III USB.

I say.. unless you really know what you're doing, unlike me, you probably won't be able to take full advantage of the Power Commander III USB.. but it's a nice addition to the bike, anyway. Check the picture.. how do ya like that mounting location?

GIXXER-Mike · 05-04-2006, 01:39 AM

Why in the world would you mount it there?

ForbidInjustice · 05-04-2006, 02:42 AM

Easy accessibility.. the look.. and I like as much space under the rear seat as possible.

**drgibson** · 05-04-2006, 08:41 AM

Dude we just got this thread under control don't start it up again!!!

**drgibson** · 05-04-2006, 08:47 AM

Rickster · 05-04-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIXXERREDLINER

Dude really this comment was not needed all he asked was about a powerband and you have to make a comment like this and attempt to say it was not meant to be sarcastic?? I agree if you did not know anything about the powerband you should have not said anything at all.

Dude!! Go back and read it again, he did NOT ask about the powerband, he asked about PERFORMANCE INCREASE!!!

tlwisner · 05-04-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickster

So 150+ HP, and 10 second quarter mile times arn't enough for you?

Hell no it's not enough, but it's a sweet start.

GothamEMS · 05-04-2006, 02:44 PM

My initial inquiry was relative to overall performance, but people around here apparently, still, can’t get past the 150+hp & 10 sec. quarter mile times. I’m not even going to get into it, but I will say that my power commander purchase, with the accelerator pump software upgrade, was worth the $255.00. I have personally seen multiple performance increases, although some not as dramatic as others, with my particular set up. Oh...and powerband performance is included in overall performance in my book

Newbie Rider · 05-04-2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothamEMS

My initial inquiry was relative to overall performance, but people around here apparently, still, can’t get past the 150+hp & 10 sec. quarter mile times. I’m not even going to get into it, but I will say that my power commander purchase, with the accelerator pump software upgrade, was worth the $255.00. I have personally seen multiple performance increases, although some not as dramatic as others, with my particular set up. Oh...and powerband performance is included in overall performance in my book

Congrats; the fact that you're happy should be enough for you

I was looking at that accelerator pump, and it seems that it might be somewhat difficult to setup; as I understand there are no pre-defined "maps", instead you must adjust and via trial-error get where you want to; what has been your experience? Is there like a recommended setting to start with?

Jammer · 05-07-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothamEMS

Why Do You Need a Power Commander?

You know what I did..for my 750...after putting on the k&n I noticed it would backfire...I went to the dealership and had the engine remapped. That worked for me. As far as horsepower...not sure...I ran hot before..it runs hot now.

04-18-2006, 08:33 PM	#41 (permalink)
Everett Keith Wants Better Weather Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: M-50 Posts: 683	I have an M-50 and my son has a 1000 suzuki and we both love bikes so thats why I posted here. __________________

04-18-2006, 08:44 PM	#42 (permalink)
drgibson Grandpa Before My Time Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 Location: Dallas, Texas Directly above the center of the earth. Posts: 11,240	Yo Everett Thunder Manufacturing claims that there air kit can boot hp and they show dyno results to prove it. Why do you clam it can"t. BTW look forward to seeing you in Tenn. __________________ *Real Men Drift on Two Wheels.*

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04-18-2006, 08:47 PM	#44 (permalink)
Everett Keith Wants Better Weather Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: M-50 Posts: 683	It can boost it but the engine can only produce to its mechanical linits. __________________

04-18-2006, 08:50 PM	#45 (permalink)
drgibson Grandpa Before My Time Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 Location: Dallas, Texas Directly above the center of the earth. Posts: 11,240	Ahh I get it! __________________ *Real Men Drift on Two Wheels.*

04-18-2006, 08:55 PM	#46 (permalink)
Everett Keith Wants Better Weather Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: M-50 Posts: 683	Could it be that somebody lost a RACE and there a little sore about it. Just a thought. __________________

04-25-2006, 11:32 PM	#47 (permalink)
svbuckmaster Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Bike: 2005 SV 650 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1	No luck w/ power commander I have a 2005 SV650 w/ a K & N intake and a Yoshi RS-3 slip on. After installing the Power Commander and testing it on the street, I was dissatissified. The bike really didn't feal any better with or without it. I finally took my bike to have it dyno tested. I discovered that I had .5 less HP with the PC than without it. I modified that map a little bit and squeezed another 2 HP out of the PC, but am still not happy with the results. I am currently trying to resolve this problem with dynojet. Before you purchase a Power Commander, check with other riders with the same bike to see if anyone has had any problems similar to mine. SVBuckmaster

04-25-2006, 11:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
GIXXER-Mike U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Aug 2004 Bike: 2004 GSX-R600 (Blue/White) Location: ALABAMA Posts: 1,113	Now that post can actually save somebody $800 or more. __________________ "I'm here to fight for truth, and justice, and the American way."

04-26-2006, 08:03 AM	#49 (permalink)
dichotomous Ditch Magnet Join Date: Feb 2006 Bike: Blue SV650s K5 Location: the green mountains Posts: 174	definately, if I were reading and thinking of getting one I wouldnt. Anyways, what map did you use that was no good and what map did you use that was good? also what did the curve look like? did it KEEP that 2hp gain throughout the powerband? I am not really interested in peak power, dont care, I like the idea of a little extra throughout and a smoother band though __________________ There's just something about a blue bike...... Throttle on, man, Throttle on..... (does underbar wave)

05-01-2006, 08:47 PM	#50 (permalink)
Jammer Clutch Cadet Join Date: Jul 2004 Bike: 2004 GSXR 750, 2003 Kawasaki Mean Streak, 2007 Susuzki DRZ400s Location: York, Pennsylvania Posts: 918	Here's what I did...I got the K&N and a Tri-Oval Pipe..I was ready to get a power commander..and my dealer told me how they could remap the engine. I didn't buy my Gixxer to save money; however, you have to have noticed..something..just isn't in sync with the pipe and the air filter. So I opted for the service manager's advice and had it remapped. I'm personally glad I took this option. My friend with the same bike and power commander..note he is also the one with the change in sprocket I spoke of earlier..can adjust his tuning. But mine I just turn the key and ride. __________________ 2004 Gixxer 750 2003 Mean Streak 1500 2007 DRZ400S Location: York, Pennsylvania

05-04-2006, 12:50 AM	#51 (permalink)
ForbidInjustice Puddle Runner Join Date: May 2005 Bike: 2007 GSX-R1000 Black/orange! Location: Fort Hood, Texas Posts: 352	Because of all the bickering, I really didn't read most of the previous posts. Nice job, guys! I picked up a brand new Power Commander III USB for my bike for $199 on eBay, so I'm not sorry at all that I bought it.. but can I tell a difference with the bike? Not much. If I was a 10+ year rider, I probably could notice a huge difference on certain settings. The thing that I have found, though, is that my gas mileage is a better. I think going from 37mpg to 40-41mpg is quite significant. I used the map for K&N Filter and Two Bros. exhaust.. the fuel delivery for LOW throttle was a little high, and for the first tank of gas after installing the Power Commander, my gas mileage was low. I reprogrammed it and set the LOW throttle a bit lower so it won't give it as much gas [because you're in low throttle most of the time anyway], and my gas mileage is superb! MID throttle I set a little above the middle.. for those times in sixth gear where I'm on the highway, and need to crank the throttle to pass someone.. the fuel will be there. My local bike shop guy has an FI system remapper computer program tool hookup thing... he does it, specific to the bike hardware, for $125. I didn't opt for that, because of how cheap I got the PC III USB. I say.. unless you really know what you're doing, unlike me, you probably won't be able to take full advantage of the Power Commander III USB.. but it's a nice addition to the bike, anyway. Check the picture.. how do ya like that mounting location? Attached Thumbnails __________________ U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security www.dhs.gov .. hence strength and security

05-04-2006, 01:39 AM	#52 (permalink)
GIXXER-Mike U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Aug 2004 Bike: 2004 GSX-R600 (Blue/White) Location: ALABAMA Posts: 1,113	Why in the world would you mount it there? __________________ "I'm here to fight for truth, and justice, and the American way."

05-04-2006, 02:42 AM	#53 (permalink)
ForbidInjustice Puddle Runner Join Date: May 2005 Bike: 2007 GSX-R1000 Black/orange! Location: Fort Hood, Texas Posts: 352	Easy accessibility.. the look.. and I like as much space under the rear seat as possible. __________________ U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security www.dhs.gov .. hence strength and security

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drgibson Grandpa Before My Time Join Date: Jul 2005 Bike: 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 Location: Dallas, Texas Directly above the center of the earth. Posts: 11,240	Dude we just got this thread under control don't start it up again!!! __________________ *Real Men Drift on Two Wheels.*

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