What is the quicker and faster bike?

[1980KZ1300]

What is the quicker and faster bike, 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa or 2005 Suzuki GSX R1000. Does anyone know the factory HP for either or both of these machines.

What about when comparing the same bikes for 2006?

[Clint]

Haven't picked up a magazine lately, have ya? Yes, everyone knows the horsepower of a Hayabusa. It's 160+ at the wheel. GSXRs dyno in the 140s.

The 'Busa's still considered the fastest bike on the planet. I'm surprised you don't know that with all your racebikes. Or is this a troll visit?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/

[prekarious1]

Average stock hp for the busa ranges from 155 to a highside of maybe 161. That is not the part that makes it the top speed king, thats all in the aerodynamics.
Quicker would probably be the 1k, with a good rider that can keep the front end down through the lower gears.
Faster is still the busa for now.

[1980KZ1300]

Well thanks RowdyRed94...never been called a troll before.

The last time I checked the site http://www.suzukicycles.org/ where I could see specs listed 2005 GSX R1000 was 178 HP and 175 HP for the Hayabusa but I didn't see if it was crank or rwhp, but it was at the same website so I figure whatever they were they were measured at the same place.

Haven't subscribed to a motorcycle mag in a couple of years now although I used to get Motorcyclist, Cycle World and Cycle. I know things move fast in this technology and last years super bike darling is this years also ran has-been so I figured I'd come to a Suzuki forum to get at the truth.

As you can see when I signed up I listed my motorcycles...none are race bikes, although the factory prepped Rocket3 won Daytona in 1971 (mine is a 1969). My newest bike is the 1980 KZ 1300 which I bought new as a leftover in 1982, it is the Roadster model and about 4 years ago I added the Nitrous...still not a race bike but more than 150 HP at the wheel and it can sure surprise many modern sport bikes in a straight line.

My question was not meant to start any BS. I'm having a discussion with a friend he wants to buy a new Hayabusa and I want a new GSX R1000, we were trying to get at the true numbers for 2005-2006 model years. The link you provided only shows 1999-2003 models of the bikes in question, that is why I posted on the forum for a more up to date answer...if that is being a troll whatever.

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/road...gsx1300rk5.htm

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/road...gsxr1000k5.htm

The previous two sites don't answer my questions either.

[Clint]

Now that we've established that you're not a troll, welcome!

Are you seriously considering buying a bike just because it's the fastest? What's the point, exactly? You could buy either and beat everyone or no one. It's all about the rider, after all.

[Smashinz2002]

On a 'Busa, you're pretty much going to outrun all the other bikes, unless, of course, you can't handle it.
Then you'll get stomped by a Bandit 1200 with a good rider. I know this because I have a Suzuki Bandit 1200/S, and I wasted the hell out of a newbie on his Gixxer (gsxr 1000). The poor boy was just too scared to open it up; not only right off the line, but also at speeds 100+. So he spent a bundle on a really freakin fast race bike, the Gixxer, but can't do a thing with it, cuz he doesn't have the balls for it. So in such a case, a 100hp Bandit smokes the boy easily. .. it's all in the rider like he said previously.
The 'Busa should make about 165-175hp at the wheel, so yes, it's very fast, and probably the best example of a true "crotch rocket". (Rockets go fast in a straight line, which is what the Busa is made to do).

[1980KZ1300]

Well thanks for the welcome fellow enthusiasts. As you can see from my prior posts the motorcycles I purchase, I tend to keep for a long time. I've owned one of the 69 BSA Rocket 3's since 1976 the other since 1985, the 1971 BSA lightning since 1972 and the KZ1300 I purchased new in 1982 as a dealer leftover. I also built the lightning chopper myself after getting messed up (I was OK stoke BSA Lightning needed a new front end and frame so I chopped her, this was back in 1974) by someone in a cage. I do most of my own wrenching on all the motorcycles I own and actually totally rebuilt one of the Rocket 3 engines myself as well as porting and polishing the heads.

I do understand that it is as much about the rider as the machine. I have over 30 years riding experience in most every street and dirt situation. I can probably hand it to 40% of the riders on GSX R1000's in the twisties on my 36-year-old Rocket 3 and another 40% would lose in a 1/4-mile race with me on the KZ 1300 due to my machine's capabilities and my experience and abilities.

Any motorcycle can be modified to make it perform better than stock, although we all know one can actually degrade both performance and reliability by messing with it and adding parts that just don't work as well with the rest of the package.

My question as to HP #'s, and specs as to 1/4 and top speed were to separate out certain parameters I have for a machine I would like to own and probably modify sometime in the near future. Weight is a prime consideration, my Rocket 3's are 455 lbs with about 65 HP at the crank (light enough but underpowered) the Lightning about 325 lbs with 54 HP at the crank (its a chopper so it don't handle) and the KZ 1300 650 lbs with 200 HP at the crank 150+ at the rear wheel. The KZ is HEAVY and it doesn't handle that well either but in a straight line or out on the super slab.... watch out!

So the GSX R1000 is 115 lbs. lighter then the Busa and I've seen it 3 HP up on the Busa as well stock. 2006 has a 4% improvement over 2005 in aerodynamics which would bring it pretty close to the Busa in Cd...lighter weight, more HP has me thinking it should not only be quicker but faster as well. I may be wrong and the Busa's aerodynamics may be so much greater than the GSX R1000 that it can still out run it on top but I'm willing to wait to see some real numbers which no one here has provided me with on the 2005 and 2006 models.

I’ve been looking to purchase for a couple of years and when I first started looking I actually wanted the Busa but after reading many reports since 2000 about the GSX R1000, I feel for me it would be the better choice. True, I'll probable never be able to use either machine at a 10/10 scale like 99% of the people that purchase either bike, but for me just knowing the potential is there is what floats my boat.

[The Teach]

Welcome to the site. Not a busa or GSXR wealth of knowledge but I can welcome with the best of them.

Hope you find your answer and have fun storming the castle.

[prekarious1]

ok, trying this again. NO STOCK BUSA HAS OVER 163 HP unless it is just a factory monster. The ZX-12 has higher stock hp than the busa. Averager stock hp is mid 150s to LOW 160s

[1980KZ1300]

So this must be crank HP then, right?

http://www.suzukicycles.org/All-Suzu...ki_models.html

GSX 1300 R Hayabusa 1999
Overall Length: 2 140 mm (84.3 in)
Overall Width: 740 mm (29.1 in)
Overall Height: 1 155 mm (45.5 in)
Seat Height: 805 mm (31.7 in)
Wheelbase: 1 485 mm (58.5 in)
Ground Clearance: 120 mm (4.7 in)
Dry Weight: 215 kg (473 lbs)
Engine type: 1298 cc liquid-cooled inline-4, DOHC, 16 valves. 175 hp (129 kW)/ 9800 rpm, 141 Nm/ 7 000 rpm.

GSX-R 1000 2001
Overall Length: 2 045 mm (80.5 in.)
Overall Width: 715 mm (28.1 in.)
Overall Height: 1 135 mm (44.7 in.)
Seat Height: 830 mm (32.7 in.)
Wheelbase: 1 410 mm (55.5 in.)
Ground Clearance: 130 mm (5.1 in.)
Dry Weight: 170 kg (374 lbs)
Engine type: Water-cooled 988 cc inline-4, DOHC, 16 valves. 160 hp (118 kW)/ 10.800 rpm, 110 Nm/ 8,500 rpm.

GSX-R 1000 2005
Overall Length: 2,030 mm (80.0 in.)
Overall Width: 710 mm (28.0 in.)
Overall Height: 1,130 mm (44.5 in.)
Seat Height: 810 mm (31.9 in.)
Ground Clearance: 130 mm (5.1 in.)
Wheelbase: 1,405 mm (55.3 in.)
Dry Weight: 166 kg (365 lbs.)
Engine type: Water-cooled 998.6 cc inline-4, DOHC, 16 valves. 178 hp/ 11,000 rpm, 121 Nm/ 9,000 rpm.

[GIXXER-Mike]

Welcome aboard!

[87gsxrnut]

Damn, and I thought my bikes were old

- Nut

[1980KZ1300]

They are oldies but goodies. Thanks for the welcome.

[nhoel]

i came by to the dealer yesterday and saw a busa and a gixxer on the floor room. I asked this very same question, and he claims both are almost the same. Busa would probably beat the gixxer in a straight line by a hair. What got me all excited was his comment on the busa when I asked if it had a gear indicator... "It don't matter what gear you're on, you'll break the speed limit with it."

[prekarious1]

yes those are crank hp numbers.

[Smashinz2002]

Well maybe the 'Busa is such a bad *** because of the quality of it's power (huge torque and very wide power spread), as opposed to the Gixxer1000.
Maybe?

[Clint]

That and it's longer (less wheelie-prone) and smoother (less drag in the triples).

[prekarious1]

There are many bikes that will stay with a busa up until about ~150 or so. Then aero's and rider ability / confidence come into play. Either way if all your wanting is speed then think about how much you really want to spend. I have seen 1k's that will go over 200 mph simply because of the amount of $$ that has been put into the engine.
IMO what really makes the busa great is that it can do all things well, and its faster than hell to boot. Yes it will get beat in the twisties by a smaller bike, but your comfortable the entire time. I have been on 1500 mile trips with cruisers before and they usually have to stop and stretch before I do (that can also be because I am younger than most of them).

[Nexus242]

if your only going to go fast on flat straight roads get the busa, however if you want to maintain those speeds while doing some twisties get the GSXR cause it will be faster on those types of roads.

[1rocket69]

Don't want to stir a hornets nest here but a ZX-10R is just as fast or faster than both, mines running 157hp RW with just a slip-on and DJ pc3, I have outrun busa's up till about 175 then they start pulling me in, and on a curvy road/track it will run with anything, and it's still comfy enough for 500 mile days and i'm 6'1"

That being said, any brand liter+ bike will push your eyes back in your head (it really comes down to the rider) so I wouldn't buy a bike just based on a advertised hp#, pick one based on what your using it for and how it fits you (and a test ride from a friend if possible)
and don't hate me caused I bleed green