Pipes And Air

[Jammin'John]

We don't have any dyno's where I live:

The Tug Hill Region

I like the stock pipes for touring.and 'cause they don't scrape on the pavement.
I'm going to do the air kit and PCIII and have me a sleeper.
The pipes don't add that much power just more noise.
It's the air kit that makes the real power.

JJ

[plasma800]

I'll spend the xtra loot on gas,tires,brakes,food,beer,etc.

BEEEEr

[WillieWherry]

I was at Bike week and talked with the engineer that was one of the state side group. He said don't change the air filters unless you plan to clean them every week. Don't waste the money on a electronic pack. The pack on the bike is just like the one you buy. Yamaha's pack is fully adjustable. Don't change the exhaust unless you want more noise. You get very little HP gain changing any of the things. Most people loose HP. As for the popping it will never go away.

Willie

[ibking]

Has anyone done a before and after dyno test, or is this guy ( engineer ) just trying to protect himself and Yamaha ( blowing smoke )?

[WillieWherry]

According to the engineer and he seams to know what he is talking about. The motor is darn near maxed out. And you won't gain much if any by doing the changes. The Yamaha air filter is far superior to the after market K&N and the K&N will let dirt into the motor if not kept clean. He designed the bike, he should know. If you run without the valve you just mess up the computer. The other control just tries and fool the map censor and messes up the fuel flow. I don't know, but I'm not going to change it for only a couple HP. The bike is fast enough to get any rider into trouble and noise does not make it faster.

Willie




















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[Jammin'John]

From another board :

"I spoke with Nigel Patrick at Daytona for about 15 minutes and showed him my bike with the PR BAK, Roadhouse slipon + shark fin tip with the baffle removed, and PC III. He told me a few things:

1. The greatest power combination he has found is PR BAK + PCIII + stock exhaust. Yes, he tried the Vance & Hines which was just slightly lower in horsepower. He did not use the Fuel Pak.

2. He has not tested the Roadhouse slipon.

3. Other unnamed pipes (he didn't want to create any illwill with other manufacturers) lost as much as 10 horsepower compared to stock + BAK."

JJ

[reegeemon]

hi, new here.
06 roadliner s, pearl white, tsukayu leather covered hard bags, rear fender rack (to replace seat), road lights.

on the road lights, replaced the lower bulb w/hipower led which is used for turn signals.

purchased take off stock muffler, removed the cat & center baffle, (assuming that the exup valve would control the back pressure as needed.

now air cleaner is due for replacement...any experience out there k&n panel replacement vs big air kit ? possible later will do power-commander (or similar)

thanks

[Jammin'John]

DON'T free up the air intake unless you do the PCIII or similar AT THE SAME TIME !
Your motor will lean out too much and you will BURN IT UP !


JJ

[Robley]

I had a 2005 650 V-star classic and had my Yamaha dealership put on a Kuryakyn twin velocity air cleaner & Hard Krome Big streight pipes & jetted the carb. I got alittle more low end BUT I left the top end at the shop because I lost about 15mph off the top.

[ibking]

Once in a while if you play poker long enough you'll get 4 aces, for me it was Roadliner, Patrick's BAK, Techlusion and Roadhouse Brand Classic pipes, what a setup WOW. This bike now hauls ass, it was fast before, but what a difference, HELLO.

The first mods I did was the BAK and Techlusion, nothin to jump up about but when I added the Roadhouse pipes I was shocked, Oh my. I should have bet the farm.

[cycledadwg]

Question from a neophyte. I think I understand some of the technical talk here, but not sure what mapping involves, would appreciate some 'splaining' from someone who knows.

[ibking]

Mapping is the same as rejetting your carb, except you do it electronically.

[MMILLETT]

I put the air kit and the cobra fuel box on my warrior. Wow. I'm going to do it to my roadliner this week. Go big or go home.
MM

[DoubleShot]

I need some advice! I already have Cobra Long Shots on my bike. These pipes allowed me to keep the oxygen sensor. The bike runs fine without the ex-up system from the stock exaust. Now I'm thinkin' I want to pump it up with higher air flow and a digital fuel processor. I'm trying to decide between Cobra's Fi 2000 and Techlusion's Fi 2050ST. Any ideas?
Also, where do you find the PR BAK? I looked on Patrick's racing site and didn't see anything for the Roadliner. What are my other options? (K&N...)

Appreciate the help,
DoubleShot

[MMILLETT]

I work at a yamaha shop and you can get the cobra fuel and the air kit threw parts unlimited.
MM

[Jammin'John]

Originally Posted by DoubleShot

I need some advice! I already have Cobra Long Shots on my bike. These pipes allowed me to keep the oxygen sensor. The bike runs fine without the ex-up system from the stock exaust. Now I'm thinkin' I want to pump it up with higher air flow and a digital fuel processor. I'm trying to decide between Cobra's Fi 2000 and Techlusion's Fi 2050ST. Any ideas?
Also, where do you find the PR BAK? I looked on Patrick's racing site and didn't see anything for the Roadliner. What are my other options? (K&N...)

Appreciate the help,
DoubleShot

Patrick doesn't list it (DUMB) but they offer it !

JJ

[Franklyspeaking]

A friend and I both put PR BAK's & Power Commanders on our Strats. He stayed with stock pipes and wound up with 95 bhp and 116 ft lbs of torque. I went with the Speedstar drags and my dyno reading wound up at 88 hp and 111 ft lbs of torque. We may be splitting hairs, but it seems that it is best to stick with the stock exhaust.

FS

[Jammin'John]

I just wish the stock pipes rumbled a little more under 2500.
I don't want loud,just a little BEEF !




JJ

[Glazguy]

I thought you did that back in December on the Roadliner?

[dilloninmn]

Originally Posted by WillieWherry

According to the engineer and he seams to know what he is talking about. The motor is darn near maxed out. And you won't gain much if any by doing the changes. The Yamaha air filter is far superior to the after market K&N and the K&N will let dirt into the motor if not kept clean. He designed the bike, he should know. If you run without the valve you just mess up the computer. The other control just tries and fool the map censor and messes up the fuel flow. I don't know, but I'm not going to change it for only a couple HP. The bike is fast enough to get any rider into trouble and noise does not make it faster. Willie
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This quote taken from PR VBAK

"Patric Racing, the top name in high performance products for motorcycles, is now producing Hi-Flo Air Kits for Yamaha's newest flagship, the Roadliner.
The Hi-Flo Air Filter Kit utilizes massive K&N air filters and precisely engineered decreasing radius billet aluminum velocity stacks. The ONLY air filter kit featuring such velocity stacks. Through rigorous testing and machining Patric Racing has achieved the best possible air flow path, using only high quality and easy to install parts. Without corners, edges, or obstructions to compromise air flow, their air filter kit creates a perfect venturi effect directly into the throttle bodies, giving you maximum horsepower and torque.

The location of the air filters themselves are in a pocket under the gas tank which has no wind turbulence. In fact, relocating the ignition coils is not only unnecessary, it’s not recommended.

The Hi-Flo Air Filter Kit is a complete bolt on kit that includes; a sensor relocation bracket, 2 CNC machined billet aluminum velocity stacks anodized black, 2 K&N intake air filters, 2 K&N crankcase vent filter, and all the nuts, bolts, hoses, caps, and clamps needed to complete installation. There are also detailed and easy to follow instructions for installation.

When the Hi-Flo Air Filter Kit is installed in conjunction with a properly mapped Power Commander you immediately net a 12-15 HP increase without tearing the motor apart. In addition the power and effectiveness of this kit increases when more modifications are applied to the bike. "


Also Dyno graphs are avaibale with and w/o pipes.

-dillon