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Old 07-28-2009, 11:34 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I know what a wobble, or "head shake" is. I don't know of any reports of instability with the C109.
I get it when I have to stop suddenly while going down the highway at 65 or so. I'll grab the front brake and barely put pressure on it and my front end wobbles like crazy
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:37 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Try a light sanding of your rotor with a light grade of sand paper. That may improve it for you.
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I get it when I have to stop suddenly while going down the highway at 65 or so. I'll grab the front brake and barely put pressure on it and my front end wobbles like crazy
Unless there is a big difference between your idea of wobbles like crazy and mine there is something seriously wrong with your bike and it should not be ridden till it's fixed!!!!
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:43 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Unless there is a big difference between your idea of wobbles like crazy and mine there is something seriously wrong with your bike and it should not be ridden till it's fixed!!!!
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:47 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:16 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Again, not to be a douche....but it wasn't "the bike's margin for error" that caused you to do down here.

You were BRAKING THROUGH A CORNER!

In which, according to your description,.....there was SAND AND GRAVEL SPRINKLED ACROSS THE WIDTH OF THE CORNER.

Apparently, you had too much back brake applied in sand and gravel and the rear swings out on you as they do when they are locked up in a lesser friction situation. The bike went down.

The same would happen on a Schwinn.

Maybe it's time to revisit MSF? OR maybe sign up if you haven't been?
I agree, it was bike's fault. After all, I had heard the early model C109's were having problems with the auto-pilot feature and the gravel sensor's.
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Thank you to everyone who responded to my long winded thread[sorry about that], to answer a few questions asked: 1. I was wearing an open faced D.O.T. helmet. 2. I wasn't wearing a leather or motorcycle jacket [hot day].
A good argument for a full face. You might still have your teeth. As for the jacket, get a nice mesh textile and you would be surprised how comfortable it is on a hot day. I am less hot in one of my mesh jackets than I am without one at all.

Glad to hear you are healing ok and getting back on the horse.
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Crashing, as you just learned is a traumatic and painful experience, but the worst thing you can do is to not learn from the experience.

Do yourself a big favor, and go back to the crash site (in your car) and try and play the whole thing back in your mind, if you are honest with yourself I think you will realize that there are several things that you should/could have done different, and that includes your approach to the turn.

Again my sincere wishes on a fast & complete recovery for you.
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:40 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Thank you to everyone who responded to my long winded thread[sorry about that], to answer a few questions asked: 1. I was wearing an open faced D.O.T. helmet. 2. I wasn't wearing a leather or motorcycle jacket [hot day]. 3.I'm 6ft. 225 lbs. and very fit. 4. No I was not driving the C109r like I drive my 550 Maxim[I know they are different bikes].5. I still --- deep down inside love the C1o9rs [I know I sound like a hypocrite], but I feel the C109r leaves NO;--as in NONE margin for error. Thats just my opinion. Thanks again for all yor replies and support ,I'll be riding again soon. I'm not a quitter. English Bull Terrier
an i apologize if my above post sounded a bit harsh...
if good you posted though, for a lesson for others...

and you're correct about the 109 leaving less of a margin of error than a smaller bike, it's not as forgiving as a maxim, or an m50 for that matter. it's heavier, it's got a ton more power, etc...

i think the biggest error is that you came into the corner too fast for the bike. lost traction and poof, down you go.

when you heal back up... think of getting a full or modular helmet and some riding gear to save your skin... a good mesh jacket is no match for race leathers, but the armor helps in a fall and skid...

heal up soon..
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Old 07-29-2009, 11:11 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Full face and mesh jacket FTW!

Slow, look, lean, roll FTW!

Search, Evaluate, Execute FTW!

Sorry to hear about you going down boss, but to agree with countless others, can't blame the bike unless something on the bike itself failed. Gravel vs. any bike gravel wins every time.

Get well soon!
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Old 07-29-2009, 11:48 AM   #53 (permalink)
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full face and mesh jacket ftw!

Slow, look, lean, roll ftw!

Search, evaluate, execute ftw!

Sorry to hear about you going down boss, but to agree with countless others, can't blame the bike unless something on the bike itself failed. Gravel vs. Any bike gravel wins every time.

Get well soon!
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:16 PM   #55 (permalink)
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...can't blame the bike unless something on the bike itself failed.
Maybe the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebars came loose?
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:41 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Thank you to everyone who responded to my long winded thread[sorry about that], to answer a few questions asked: 1. I was wearing an open faced D.O.T. helmet. 2. I wasn't wearing a leather or motorcycle jacket [hot day]. 3.I'm 6ft. 225 lbs. and very fit. 4. No I was not driving the C109r like I drive my 550 Maxim[I know they are different bikes].5. I still --- deep down inside love the C1o9rs [I know I sound like a hypocrite], but I feel the C109r leaves NO;--as in NONE margin for error. Thats just my opinion. Thanks again for all yor replies and support ,I'll be riding again soon. I'm not a quitter. English Bull Terrier
Not to harp on you anymore...but been there and done that. I referred to my wife's bike as the devil bike. Actually the bike a kawasaki 800 Drifter was a very smooth running bike with plenty of giddy up.
BUT I hit some slick stuff in a corner and applied the brakes. Tanks slapping followed.
Once again never brake in a corner. No matter what your vehicle. Executing a corner the vehicle is changing loads and gravity and centrifical force are at play. So applying the brakes reduces the traction of the tires.
Brake in a straight line and then allow the tires to carry you thru the corner.
More that likely if you had rolled off the throttle you would have been able to low side the bike verse high side.
I have a bike very similar to a m109. A Victory hammer with a 250mm rear tire. If I get that bike side ways.....well lets just say my arse is done.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:57 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Some accidents/crashes are impossible to avoid........however, when in a turn, especially with loose debris on the roadway, you don't want to "Grab a handfull of front brake while applying the back brake at the same time". I am very sorry to hear of your crash, and I'm definately happy to hear you're OK. But I have to disagree that the C109/C109RT is a very stable bike.
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:22 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Well.... sand and gravel is not cool... at all.... I live about a mile off the state highway on a county highway and right at the entrance of the highway is Lambstone Company... they have the main office and warehouse on the left corner of the highway intersection and their outdoor storage on the right side of the intersection and across the road is their quarry.... it covers the entire entrance to my road, and slow gravel trucks and rock trucks and heavy equipment are constantly crossing... also, their is another stone company witht heir whole operation right next to it on the side of the road up on a big hill.....

point being, there is loose gravel, chunks of rock, and sometimes even slabs of rock in the middle of the friggin road! its a motorcycle death trap less than a mile from my house and I cross it every single freaking day... there are even signs warning about this dangerous death trap. On one side of the highway is a huge hill and the other side another huge hill with a big downhill twisty (very fun to ride)...

I believe, regardless of bike size, if you hit a patch of loose gravel and sand going to fast and you try to brake too fast... your going down...

If you don't try to brake.... your still going down...

Moral of the story is... its not the bikes fault!

Know your bike and know your roads..

Regardless of bike size, if you don't know whats ahead then you should prepare for the worst! Know your limits and know your roads!
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And as for a stable bike... theres no such thing... we ride on two wheels

Since the beginning of time, civilizations have made vehicles with 4... 4 wheels.

Then we created a vehicle with two wheels to get around

Then we got spunky and put an engine on it.....

There is no such thing as a stable bike...
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Having had a few heavy bikes, I'll say that the point at which you see things going bad, you've got to be ready for plan B. Plan B means standing it back up to avoid the slide, going off in a new direction if possible, or crossing it up and being ready to get straight when she takes a bite and gets traction again.

Get forward on the tank, get off the brakes and steer. Don't lean back and let the front end wash out or tuck under.

It's the weight and centrifugal forces that suddenly make you just along for the ride, or crash. Think fast, act quick, change shorts later.
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