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boooya · 03-30-2008, 08:21 PM

CityNews: Turban-Wearing Motorcyclist Fights Law That Forces Helmets
Just wondering what your thoughts are on this subject.
Most people say who cares if he falls its his problem, but its our tax dollars that this pay the emergency and hospital bills.
Others say its descrimination against his rites,, Well hey its a privliage to ride not a rite.
How about the none muslim people does this mean we can wear baseball caps??
I personaly think that the law should apply to all the same way regardless of race or religion.
He lost the court case and is now taking it to the supream courts.
CityNews: Judge Rejects Challenge To Ontario Helmet Law

Here's the kicker, His lawyer is trying to convince the Ministry of Transportation to change the helmet law by saying that turban's are just as safe if not safer then helmets. I don't know bout that all I know is that if I get my head under a car tire I would rather be wearing a helmet.

This is not intended to stir the pot or be racial in any way, I'm just curious about your views and opinions on this subject.

ranger04 · 03-30-2008, 08:31 PM

The law over rides religion, period. There is the same issue with seat belts, how many people dont wear them, but its a safety device so its a law to wear, if you dont you get a ticket. Same for the helmet, if its a law to wear it then you need to wear it. Im sick and tired of people hiding behind religion to get around stuff-nothing against religion, to each there own, but some people take it to far.

**Clint** · 03-30-2008, 08:33 PM

Not an M50 topic. Not really even a motorcycling topic. Moving.

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 08:36 PM

Helmet vs Turban is not a motorcycle issue? How do you figure that? Oh yeah, I forgot you disagree.

Sorry for the outburst.

**Clint** · 03-30-2008, 08:39 PM

It's a matter of laws and the role of religion. It coulda been "Miss America sashes instead of seatbelts".

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 08:45 PM

It still deals with mc gear thus motorcycle related. We aren't talking about helmet vs turban laws for walking to the grocery store.

boooya · 03-30-2008, 08:47 PM

Motorcycle related as far as im concerned. It wasn't posted to offend anyone. I for one disagree with it. Just curious how the rest feel about it.

blackie1491 · 03-30-2008, 08:48 PM

In BC, if you wear a Turban, you are not required to wear a Helmet.

**Clint** · 03-30-2008, 08:50 PM

It would be motorcycle-related if it affected even one of us somehow. Does it?

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 08:54 PM

I disagree with helmet laws anyway. Way too much gubment regulation. It's all population control baby!! If that's his religion so be it.

Kodatech · 03-30-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie1491

In BC, if you wear a Turban, you are not required to wear a Helmet.

Really?...Don't you think that is lending itself to a bit of a slippery slope?
I understand everyone has their beliefs, but many countries are taking political correctness and tolerance too far.

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

It would be motorcycle-related if it affected even one of us somehow. Does it?

Comon Clint. We have tons of posts dealing with mc that has no effect on any of us as individuals. It's the discussion and issues around us that keep this forum going. What laws are in effect in other countries has no effect on me personally but without this forum how would I be aware of the issues for curiosity sake? I don't live in a box.

chinard · 03-30-2008, 09:04 PM

maybe they belive their god will protect their heads.

anyways, the law is clear on this, and as far as Sikh beliefs go, the main purpose of the turban is to support their uncut hair. There is an alternate headwear called a 'pakta' which many younger sikhs wear (particularly because it does not interfere with sports and other activities) that would allow for wearing helmets without compromising any of their religious beliefs.

These people KNOW that there are other options, they are just hiding behind their religion to gain special privileges.

BTW- Sikhs are not muslims. Their religion is closer to hindu.

Kodatech · 03-30-2008, 09:06 PM

I think this topic goes far deeper than helmet/no helmet laws, no matter how much you arent trying to "stir the pot".

The topic stirs the pot all by itself.

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 09:24 PM

I'm not holding the spoon thus I can't stir. I still find these topics interesting regardless of the effect or lack thereof on me personally.

Rickster · 03-30-2008, 09:35 PM

To answer the original question, I think it stinks.

Special privileges because your handicapped are fine, but special privileges because of your beliefs are just an effort to get your name in the paper, and having your lawyer claim that turban's are as safe as a helmet is just plain stupid.

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 09:45 PM

Stupid or not he will probably win.

Mario · 03-30-2008, 11:19 PM

He new the law he knows his religion he should not of gotten a bike that may get him to go against his religion if he wants to use that card, and I believe they still can not wear a helmet over there Patka. If you live in a country that bars you from not wearing a helmet obviously because they want to keep there citizens safe and keep there hospital cost down, there should be no need for you to take it upon yourself to turn that into a religious battle. It is just the plain law for everyone. Riding a bike is extremely enjoyable and yes everyone should get the satisfaction from the experience that the country you live in charges you for riding your bike (license ect…) but it is not a right to ride your motorcycle it is granted to an individual that can operate it (I know that there are people on bikes that can not operate them) and abide by the law in your area. If you agree to the law and pay your financial toll, and get your license agreeing to obey the law, then you should pay the consequences when you are in the wrong. This battle should have happened before he got the ticket knowing that at some point he was going to get caught disobeying the law, not when he got what he dissevered.

SNAFU · 03-30-2008, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie1491

In BC, if you wear a Turban, you are not required to wear a Helmet.

Manitoba too. We have a helmet law yet I see many riders without a helmet and even a guy on a scooter. I have not seen a rider with a Turban but I did see someone ride with the helmet on their arm. I think some riders can get a medical exemption from a doctor saying they can't ride with a helmet.

What's my point? ....
I guess I don't have one so I'll go sit back down and

blackie1491 · 03-31-2008, 12:02 AM

Hey how about passing some of that popped corn around1!!!

03-30-2008, 08:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
boooya TurtleWax Taster Joined: Sep 2007 Bike: '08 Suzuki Bandit S Location: Barrie, Ont. Canada Posts: 569	Turban instead of Helmet CityNews: Turban-Wearing Motorcyclist Fights Law That Forces Helmets Just wondering what your thoughts are on this subject. Most people say who cares if he falls its his problem, but its our tax dollars that this pay the emergency and hospital bills. Others say its descrimination against his rites,, Well hey its a privliage to ride not a rite. How about the none muslim people does this mean we can wear baseball caps?? I personaly think that the law should apply to all the same way regardless of race or religion. He lost the court case and is now taking it to the supream courts. CityNews: Judge Rejects Challenge To Ontario Helmet Law Here's the kicker, His lawyer is trying to convince the Ministry of Transportation to change the helmet law by saying that turban's are just as safe if not safer then helmets. I don't know bout that all I know is that if I get my head under a car tire I would rather be wearing a helmet. This is not intended to stir the pot or be racial in any way, I'm just curious about your views and opinions on this subject. __________________ M50 SOLD 2008 Bandit 1250 S stock 4 now

03-30-2008, 08:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
ranger04 Sprocket Pilot Joined: Oct 2006 Bike: 2006 Suzuki Boulevard M50B Location: ohio Posts: 855	The law over rides religion, period. There is the same issue with seat belts, how many people dont wear them, but its a safety device so its a law to wear, if you dont you get a ticket. Same for the helmet, if its a law to wear it then you need to wear it. Im sick and tired of people hiding behind religion to get around stuff-nothing against religion, to each there own, but some people take it to far. __________________ Pics of Bike -MySpace-http://copronymous.com/images/M50-MANUAL.pdf

03-30-2008, 08:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,429	Helmet vs Turban is not a motorcycle issue? How do you figure that? Oh yeah, I forgot you disagree. Sorry for the outburst. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 08:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,429	It still deals with mc gear thus motorcycle related. We aren't talking about helmet vs turban laws for walking to the grocery store. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 08:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
boooya TurtleWax Taster Joined: Sep 2007 Bike: '08 Suzuki Bandit S Location: Barrie, Ont. Canada Posts: 569	Motorcycle related as far as im concerned. It wasn't posted to offend anyone. I for one disagree with it. Just curious how the rest feel about it. __________________ M50 SOLD 2008 Bandit 1250 S stock 4 now

03-30-2008, 08:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,211	In BC, if you wear a Turban, you are not required to wear a Helmet.

03-30-2008, 08:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,429	I disagree with helmet laws anyway. Way too much gubment regulation. It's all population control baby!! If that's his religion so be it. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 09:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
chinard In Training Joined: Feb 2008 Bike: '08 suzuki m50 Location: Toronto Posts: 137	maybe they belive their god will protect their heads. anyways, the law is clear on this, and as far as Sikh beliefs go, the main purpose of the turban is to support their uncut hair. There is an alternate headwear called a 'pakta' which many younger sikhs wear (particularly because it does not interfere with sports and other activities) that would allow for wearing helmets without compromising any of their religious beliefs. These people KNOW that there are other options, they are just hiding behind their religion to gain special privileges. BTW- Sikhs are not muslims. Their religion is closer to hindu. Last edited by chinard; 03-30-2008 at 09:15 PM.

03-30-2008, 09:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kodatech Handlebar Consultant Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 616	I think this topic goes far deeper than helmet/no helmet laws, no matter how much you arent trying to "stir the pot". The topic stirs the pot all by itself.

03-30-2008, 09:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,429	I'm not holding the spoon thus I can't stir. I still find these topics interesting regardless of the effect or lack thereof on me personally. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 09:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rickster Bridal Boutique Manager Joined: Oct 2005 Location: St Paul Mn Posts: 2,914	To answer the original question, I think it stinks. Special privileges because your handicapped are fine, but special privileges because of your beliefs are just an effort to get your name in the paper, and having your lawyer claim that turban's are as safe as a helmet is just plain stupid. __________________ Ever notice that the person telling you to calm down, is the same one that got you worked up in the first place. 2008 1250 Bandit ABS 2008 DR 650 2006 HD Road King 2005 DL1000 V Strom (sold) 2004 Twin Peaks 700 2003 KTM 525 EX/C (for sale) 2005 Santa Cruz Heckler

03-30-2008, 09:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,429	Stupid or not he will probably win. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 11:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mario Clunked into first gear Joined: Feb 2008 Bike: 07 Suzuki Boulevard M50 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 209	He new the law he knows his religion he should not of gotten a bike that may get him to go against his religion if he wants to use that card, and I believe they still can not wear a helmet over there Patka. If you live in a country that bars you from not wearing a helmet obviously because they want to keep there citizens safe and keep there hospital cost down, there should be no need for you to take it upon yourself to turn that into a religious battle. It is just the plain law for everyone. Riding a bike is extremely enjoyable and yes everyone should get the satisfaction from the experience that the country you live in charges you for riding your bike (license ect…) but it is not a right to ride your motorcycle it is granted to an individual that can operate it (I know that there are people on bikes that can not operate them) and abide by the law in your area. If you agree to the law and pay your financial toll, and get your license agreeing to obey the law, then you should pay the consequences when you are in the wrong. This battle should have happened before he got the ticket knowing that at some point he was going to get caught disobeying the law, not when he got what he dissevered. __________________

03-31-2008, 12:02 AM	#20 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,211	Hey how about passing some of that popped corn around1!!!

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