Speeding through twisties

[jgreth]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

I have a little voice inside my head that starts screaming at me in those situations, be it from a curve, darkness, fog, whatever. I need to know what's coming.

I guess my only other point would be that some have a distorted view of what's a reasonable stopping distance because they haven't practiced enough themselves. Not pointing any fingers here, but a skilled rider can stop amazingly quickly.

Sure... in a straight line. Try stopping really fast in a hard lean. Yeah... skill or no skill if you are taking a 40 mph turn @ 80 mph and it's a low-visibility curve, then it's pure luck. NO ONE can stop in time in that scenario... you're either going off the road or hitting whatever hazard you're trying to avoid.

[Clint]

Now we're in a 40 mph turn going 80? Jeez, it just keeps getting worse!

[tricker]

so there i was going 180mph around that exact corner... wait nevermind....

[jgreth]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

Now we're in a 40 mph turn going 80? Jeez, it just keeps getting worse!

I know Clint, I was just trying to point to the other end of the spectrum that you were avoiding... Yes some people have great skill but it only goes so far.

[busa-boy33]

Originally Posted by tricker

so there i was going 180mph around that exact corner... wait nevermind....

I'm sorry tricker but I googled your bike and ummmm.. it can only go 179.9 mph so I'm gonna say your 180mph is WAAAAAAAYYY off an full of

sheesh

[Clint]

Musta been 180 indicated.

[busa-boy33]

he was really staring at something shiny the whole time i bet.. never even looked at his speed.. yeah.. i bet thats what happened..

[themeatmanlandry]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

Now we're in a 40 mph turn going 80? Jeez, it just keeps getting worse!

Aren't we talking about that team of blind sport riders?

[Clint]

Yeah, those jerks give all blind motorcyclists a bad name.

[tricker]

Originally Posted by busa-boy33

he was really staring at something shiny the whole time i bet.. never even looked at his speed.. yeah.. i bet thats what happened..

I deny everything... i never get distracted by a sh..............................

[intimid8er]

Originally Posted by Nick Mystic

However, aren't such riders also playing a bit of a roulette wheel whenever they exceed their line of sight on a curve or hill, even if they are exceptionally skilled?

You've answered your own question.




Now, the remedy of this, as you and Kodatech mentioned is to not outpace your eyeballs and skills.

Other strategies are outlined in Proficient Motorcycling.

One that everyone will preach. Is using a delayed apex. Delaying your entry into the corner, so you can see far enough around or into it, to minimize the risk of having a surprise greet you in the middle of it.

As to the riders you are seeing or speaking of. They probably know those stretches of road very, very, very well, and can haul ass with considerable aplomb. Whether it be 5, 10, 20 or whatever over the posted speed. Their skill, and their bikes can probably handle it. But their habits are what are in question. Consequently, their pride or cockiness will be their undoing. Not their skill. Clipping the apexes early to maintain speed might be fun, or look like fun, but it has it's place. Namely the track.

[wildwolf]

Originally Posted by Nick Mystic

Here is my question: When people ride through twisties at speeds that far exceed their sight distance are they basically relying on luck and fate that they won't round the next blind curve at 70 mph and find a patch of sand, gravel, broken down vehicle, etc. or have they developed some sort of skill set that I don't have that would allow them to avoid crashing when they come on such an unseen hazard?

You mean like this?

[jgreth]

Bambi lost

[palanon]

Animals, especially deer, scare the crap out of me. At dusk and dawn, the deer and the antelope play.

[busa-boy33]

Again.. to repeat myself..

tracks are conditioned for this type of riding.. not average highways. Debris from all over the place, rocks on the road, and most of what I see beyond the pot holes are the recaps that large trucks lose constantly.

Not fun to hit one of those things goin 100+ mph

[87gsxrnut]

are they basically relying on luck and fate

Yup.

Sometimes their luck runs out.

- Nut

[jprisme]

unless they got spidy senses which i really want to have... its called ignorance and not understanding on how something so simple can take them out so fast

[Kodatech]

Originally Posted by wildwolf

You mean like this?

Yeah that was bad, but that wasnt a line of sight thing. That deer came from the OUTSIDE of the curve. That was a bit of bad luck.


YES they were going too fast. Yes they were probably outrunning their sight line. But the deer collision was not due to the line-of-sight.

[0402jimbob]

Really it is all just fun and games until someone hits a tree, oncoming truck or whatever, the last thing I want when on a group ride is to round a bend to find a dead mate. Save the heroics for track days coz the road is no joke.

[busa-boy33]

Originally Posted by 0402jimbob

Really it is all just fun and games until someone hits a tree, oncoming truck or whatever, the last thing I want when on a group ride is to round a bend to find a dead mate. Save the heroics for track days coz the road is no joke.