Street Bike Help?

[Rickster]

He's not listing because were not telling him what he wants to hear.

How's this? The bike you need is a brand new Hayabusa. It's very clear from your posts that you have the self control to not use it's power till you are capable of handling it. 100 miles or so of experience should do it.




Don't worry, I've ridden a lot of the roads around Bullhead City, there's a whole lot of desert there, not to many places he can hurt anyone but himself.

[Uncle B]

TheProjectionist;
Just how old are you?

[blackie1491]

Your 125 was a basic dirt bike, the sport bikes you are looking at are beyond your present skill level.

You are saying you can switch from 125cc to a 600cc sportbike!!!
Not only are you looking at a lot more power but you are adding in all the risks that come with riding on the streets.

Look for threads on road rash, some caused by rider error, some caused by errors by others and some just by weather or road conditions.

Errors, that in a car, would be minor but on a bike can be major.

Do a little reading, look at the risk and prepare your self with some skills.

[TheProjectionist-]

Heres a message I sent to my friend who is currently in navy


Went to get a streetbike today, anyways the guy was like "How much experience you got and I said like 5 minutes on some cbr 2 years ago. He told me that the bike I want would be way to much power for me and I would be comminting suicide and he dont want murder on his concience, so he had me look at cheaper bikes.

Anyways what kind of cbr was your bike and how many cc was it?

I kinda believe him because why would he send me to a cheaper bike? It cant be that hard to ride some of these badboys I been looking at for 10grand or can it?


You know more then me lemme know cuz I wanna get a bike asap.




Here is his response

about %%%%in time you learn!!!! thats %%%%ing tight get a 600 not no 1000... lol your probably lookin at a R1 but i suggest getting a kawasaki 636 or you can get a honda 600rr but really its up to you those are the ones i like but then agian i havent been into that for a while yamahas and suzukis are just as good if not better there all good just pic the one your most comfortable riding and be careful!!! there expensive when you want to fix them after a crash just take it slow and it will all come practice makes perfect.... i want to get one so bad when i get stationed but i think i might get a 350Z if they will insure me lol just remember its cold as %%%% in the winter for real youll see and its better to buy one right now cuz its cheaper in the winter time remember its the same thing as a dirt bike but smoother.... i love it...



I rode his 600cc bike down and up the street when I was like 16 year's old only got up 60mph but I did do a complete u turn without falling.

He also cares about me more then you guys so if he didnt think I could handle a 600cc bike why would he tell me to get one?

[inspiron]

@Projectionist: A Honda CBR600RR is a race bike. It is NOT a beginner bike. Honda CBF 600 or Kawasaki EN-6 are beginner bikes. Or a Suzuki GS500. Any one of these bikes is perfectly able to carry you for many tens of thousands of miles, or allow you to kill yourself within minutes.

Displacement alone means nothing. My bike has 1403 ccm displacement. So what? I've got 100 ccm MORE displacement than a Hayabusa, and 40% more than a GSX-R 1000, but I couldn't keep up with either of those if I were to race them. My bike is a long-bore engine - I have plenty of torque, but only 100 hp (as opposed to 170+ for a Hayabusa or GSX-R 1000).

Woohoo! You did one U-turn without dropping the bike! Want a medal? I've done hundreds of U-turns, circles, figure-8s and other slow-speed maneuvers. I also coach others how to do these maneuvers correctly. And I've dropped my bike. It happens. No one is immune.

You have two choices. You can listen to some people who are trying to give you good advice even though we don't know you, and have no real benefit from helping you, OR you can listen to a dealer who is looking to make as much money as possible by selling you a bike. Your choice.

[TheProjectionist-]

Originally Posted by inspiron

@Projectionist: A Honda CBR600RR is a race bike. It is NOT a beginner bike. Honda CBF 600 or Kawasaki EN-6 are beginner bikes. Or a Suzuki GS500. Any one of these bikes is perfectly able to carry you for many tens of thousands of miles, or allow you to kill yourself within minutes.

Displacement alone means nothing. My bike has 1403 ccm displacement. So what? I've got 100 ccm MORE displacement than a Hayabusa, and 40% more than a GSX-R 1000, but I couldn't keep up with either of those if I were to race them. My bike is a long-bore engine - I have plenty of torque, but only 100 hp (as opposed to 170+ for a Hayabusa or GSX-R 1000).

Woohoo! You did one U-turn without dropping the bike! Want a medal? I've done hundreds of U-turns, circles, figure-8s and other slow-speed maneuvers. I also coach others how to do these maneuvers correctly. And I've dropped my bike. It happens. No one is immune.

You have two choices. You can listen to some people who are trying to give you good advice even though we don't know you, and have no real benefit from helping you, OR you can listen to a dealer who is looking to make as much money as possible by selling you a bike. Your choice.

Not that it matter's but I stated in the thread the dealer told me to look at cheaper bikes with less power.

[TheProjectionist-]

I just looked at that Honda CBF 600, the bikes looks like it's a girl bike and you coudnt pay me to ride that junk, looking at other's lol you suggested brb.

[TheProjectionist-]

Ok This isnt going anywhere partly because Im stubborn and wont take no for a answer and partly because you guys are assuming im some weak punk kid.

I might be a noob but I can buy a racebike and use it in a manner to get to work and back without racing and eventually gaining the skills and confidence to use the actual performence the bike offer's.

Now if I do what I just said in the paraghraph above then getting a high performence bike would be alright?

[TheProjectionist-]

Like nobody has explaiNed why a newbie cant get a 600cc bike, why? Is it so powerfull that im gonna be pulling wheelies from just barley excellerating.

Gimme reasons besides "Your a newbie"

[inspiron]

It's not that a newbie shouldn't buy a 600ccm bike. It's that a newbie shouldn't buy a 600ccm sports bike. When you start riding, you don't have the fine motor skills that are needed by these bikes. The throttle is a weapon with a hair trigger. One false move and it will take off like a rocket.

Cruisers or touring bikes are not tuned for speed. A 600ccm cruiser will not respond as quickly to a little twist of the throttle. These bikes are geared differently, and won't throw you off if you don't have perfect control of your right hand.

Dirt bikes are street bikes are not comparable. If you twist too much throttle on a dirt bike, it will dig a hole with the rear wheel. If you twist too much throttle on a street bike, it will launch you forward into the next tree.

A smaller, less powerful bike (believe me, 35 horsepower is PLENTY for a newbie) will be a lot more forgiving - you may have half a second more to correct before the bike launches you into orbit.

Since you seem to be very stubborn, and have admitted that you don't want to hear what everyone here has been trying to tell you, I just have one more question: Why did you bother to post here to begin with? If you didn't want to listen to our advice, WHY DID YOU ASK FOR IT?

[TheProjectionist-]

Originally Posted by inspiron

It's not that a newbie shouldn't buy a 600ccm bike. It's that a newbie shouldn't buy a 600ccm sports bike. When you start riding, you don't have the fine motor skills that are needed by these bikes. The throttle is a weapon with a hair trigger. One false move and it will take off like a rocket.

Cruisers or touring bikes are not tuned for speed. A 600ccm cruiser will not respond as quickly to a little twist of the throttle. These bikes are geared differently, and won't throw you off if you don't have perfect control of your right hand.

Dirt bikes are street bikes are not comparable. If you twist too much throttle on a dirt bike, it will dig a hole with the rear wheel. If you twist too much throttle on a street bike, it will launch you forward into the next tree.

A smaller, less powerful bike (believe me, 35 horsepower is PLENTY for a newbie) will be a lot more forgiving - you may have half a second more to correct before the bike launches you into orbit.

As for assuming Im not listening to what you guys are telling me your deadwrong, I love to debate and many of my decision's on life have been made by debating. You guys just gotta hit me on the strong point's and throttle control or weight of bike wont work.

Since you seem to be very stubborn, and have admitted that you don't want to hear what everyone here has been trying to tell you, I just have one more question: Why did you bother to post here to begin with? If you didn't want to listen to our advice, WHY DID YOU ASK FOR IT?

Ok so lets say I drive a 82 honda, and win the lotto 2 week's later im driving a lambo woudnt that be to much power for a newb car driver.
I have throttle control, I know what the bike is capable of and I know the danger's, yes its possible I might eat %%%% and die and it's also possible on a 35hp bike. It is just more likly to happen to me on the sportbike.

The main cause of a accident on the sportbike is going to be because I moved my wrist to far and popped a whellie and flipped or totally panicked and turned the wrist even more.

If I can contain my wrist to learn the throttle control in parking lot's for countless of hours on a daily basis I believe it's capabale of learning on a 600cc bike with minimal danger involved.

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by TheProjectionist-

Ok so lets say I drive a 82 honda, and win the lotto 2 week's later im driving a lambo woudnt that be to much power for a newb car driver.
I have throttle control, I know what the bike is capable of and I know the danger's, yes its possible I might eat %%%% and die and it's also possible on a 35hp bike. It is just more likly to happen to me on the sportbike.

Cars and bikes are, in this respect, totally different. A newbie in a Ferrari Enzo is not comparable to a newbie on a 600RR. Bikes don't have airbags (except the one between the handlebars and the seat), and don't have any crush zone. Crash an Enzo and you'll probably walk away from it. Crash a 600RR and you'll be carried away.

Originally Posted by TheProjectionist-

The main cause of a accident on the sportbike is going to be because I moved my wrist to far and popped a whellie and flipped or totally panicked and turned the wrist even more.

No, the main cause of accidents is that the rider was overwhelmed by the bike. Take a corner with a GSX-R too fast ... an experience rider would know instinctively how to ride it out (actually, they probably wouldn't get into that situation to begin with). A newbie will probably panic and either high-side or low-side the bike. Either of these is painful and expensive. Knowing how to deal with these situations isn't something you learn in a parking lot - it's something that you learn little-by-little through thousands of miles of riding.

Originally Posted by TheProjectionist-

If I can contain my wrist to learn the throttle control in parking lot's for countless of hours on a daily basis I believe it's capabale of learning on a 600cc bike with minimal danger involved.

Your belief is contrary to the knowledge and experience of most of the veteran riders here.

[dogcatcher]

Projectionist, I don't have a lot of time to post right now but you seem hell bent on a race bike. We all know from experience that this is dangerous for a new rider. It would be irresponsible to reccommend otherwise.

If you must have a sporty looking bike, please consider the Suzuki SV650S. It is a great looking bike, broad powerband and light weight. It would be fun, look good, and be much more forgiving than the ones you are considering.

Don't let your pride or image get you seriously hurt when you are just staring out. There will be plenty of time to upgrade.

D

[blackie1491]

This is sounding more like a troll than a new rider looking for advice.

[jimr]

I agree with Blackie.......sounds like he's just looking for an argument. Doesn't ride at all yet but wants to race the "kids in Hondas". I say let him get a ZR-14, take him to the desert wher he can't hurt anyone else and turn him loose

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by jimr

I agree with Blackie.......sounds like he's just looking for an argument. Doesn't ride at all yet but wants to race the "kids in Hondas". I say let him get a ZR-14, take him to the desert wher he can't hurt anyone else and turn him loose

+1

There has been tons written on this subject, if he really wanted to learn, he would take the time to search out that info, rather than argue with everyone that says something he doesn't want to hear.

[inspiron]

Yes, but no one can say I didn't try...

[The Teach]

Very good effort Jim. You're getting patient in your old age.

I'm soo tired of these threads. People are too lazy to do their own research and then want to fight/discuss why they think they are different then everyone else.

Don't ask unless you really want an answer. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time.

[intimid8er]

Originally Posted by The Teach

Very good effort Jim. You're getting patient in your old age.

I'm soo tired of these threads. People are too lazy to do their own research and then want to fight/discuss why they think they are different then everyone else.

Don't ask unless you really want an answer. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time.

Lately, the new ones are a little more sophisticated. They wait until at least five posts before they start with the I'm getting an "R" and that's that!

Bah...I'm getting so anymore, I see one of these guys post. I just feeling like pasting a Hayabusa image up right away, agreeing with them, and if everybody else did the same, they would just diffuse like a bad fart.

We're not the only forum that dispenses the advice we give. However, we do put up with an extraordinary load of crap when it comes to giving such advice. Other forums I've seen (I perused a few other sites' threads in their beginning sections to see what they recommend to newbies) are far more blunt in their giving of advice than we are.

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by intimid8er

... if everybody else did the same, they would just diffuse like a bad fart.

I'm not sure why, but that symbolism is just too funny...