New emmisions testing in New Hampshire

[Copperhead]

We now have emissions testing in New Hampshire.Inspection prices doubled before the program even became effective from $15-$20 to $45-$50.When you bring your vehicle in,they scan your vehicles bar code to capture all the information,then they connect the emmissions computer plug into your wiring
and run the engine.All the information is then sent online to department of motor vehicles.Each garage is charged approx $5 for every transfer.Now,I'm all
for clean air...but this seems to be nothing but a money maker for the state.
Only vehicles 1996 and up will be subject to emmision failure,not older vehicles.Now,how many 2006 vehicles rolling off the assembly line do you think will fail emmission standards??? I would say...A big fat ZERO! Which
vehicles are more likely to spread more pollution,an older(pre 1996)vehicle,or a
newer (post 1996) vehicle?? This emmisions program makes no sense,unless they are just using it to increase revenue.What really pisses me off is that I will have to pay double to get my motorcycle inspected,and it will not be plugged into ANY computer.And what about all these 18 wheelers and dump trucks that spew out a black cloud thats so bad you gotta roll your windows up if you're behind them.They wont be subject to ANY emission standard.
This emission thing is pure bullchit.
Ok,I'm done ranting.

[Rockhead]

My buddy just bought a m50 this weekend and the topic got brought up. It sounds from the dealers words Illinois is going to try to impose similar crap around here. (The S is silent)

[Clint]

Well, a few things come into play. First, it's almost an insurmountable task to keep vehicles over 10 years of age within tight emmisions standards. The cost would be prohibitive and the outcry would be huge.

No, brand new vehicles won't get redlighted. Is that a bad thing?

Diesel commercial vehicles are tied directly into the nation's economy. Crippling industry with stringent requirements would be significant. Moreover, the black stuff you mentioned is not really what they're testing for. They're looking at NOx and CO2, both of which are invisible. While particulates are a problem, they're not the main focus of emmisions standards at this time.

FWIW, I don't take cats off my cars and I haven't taken the PAIR equipment off my Bandit. Yes, I've enrichen the mix with jetting, but the increase in fuel economy offsets some of that.

Sure, some air-quality laws are harsh, but the sum total of all efforts means my little boy is less likely to suffer asthma, emphysema, and whatever else during his lifetime. $50 is peanuts compared to his health, and I'm fine with that.

[azoazc]

Originally Posted by Copperhead

We now have emissions testing in New Hampshire.Inspection prices doubled before the program even became effective from $15-$20 to $45-$50.When you bring your vehicle in,they scan your vehicles bar code to capture all the information,then they connect the emmissions computer plug into your wiring
and run the engine.All the information is then sent online to department of motor vehicles.Each garage is charged approx $5 for every transfer.Now,I'm all
for clean air...but this seems to be nothing but a money maker for the state.
Only vehicles 1996 and up will be subject to emmision failure,not older vehicles.Now,how many 2006 vehicles rolling off the assembly line do you think will fail emmission standards??? I would say...A big fat ZERO! Which
vehicles are more likely to spread more pollution,an older(pre 1996)vehicle,or a
newer (post 1996) vehicle?? This emmisions program makes no sense,unless they are just using it to increase revenue.What really pisses me off is that I will have to pay double to get my motorcycle inspected,and it will not be plugged into ANY computer.And what about all these 18 wheelers and dump trucks that spew out a black cloud thats so bad you gotta roll your windows up if you're behind them.They wont be subject to ANY emission standard.
This emission thing is pure bullchit.
Ok,I'm done ranting.

New York has been doing this for almost two years. The reason for 1996 and newer is these vehicles are OBD-II compliant and therefore can all be scanned with the same machine since the software is now the same on these vehicles. The other option was sniffers on the tailpipe but that equipment is almost too expensive for the average shop to afford and requires ALOT of maintenence. The computer ay was the most efficient. And lets face it, soon enough there won't be many pre-1996 vehicles being driven daily anyhow.

[inspiron]

With the latest EU restrictions, you can only put a certified after-market pipe on a bike. That means the manufacturer has to have his product inspected and certified for a specific bike model. If your bike has been certified with a cat, the after-market pipe must also have a cat, otherwise the bike is illegal, and the registration is invalidated.

Cars are checked for emissions every 2 years, and they are considering measuring bike emissions too. However, the biggest discussion at the moment is the concentration of microparicles from diesel vehicles.

Within the next 3 years, I expect that there will be a requirement for all new diesel cars and trucks to be equipped with a particle filter. Many cities have already imposed restrictions - in Stuttgart, for example, when the air quality reaches a certain level, no diesel vehicles are allowed into the city unless they have a particle filter.

[Stasy]

PA for cars has the gayest emmissions setup here in Lackawanna county. The physical inspection is the same, and the new emmissions inspection is a simple check of the gas cap to see if it leaks and a plug into the ODB port for any check engine lights.

Cost for new emmissions test: $30+tax (on top of the old imspecion $16+tax)

All that stuff haz ZERO to do with saving the planet. It's all moneymakers for the states/counties who don't know now to balance their budgets.

[Clint]

I disagree. Having no genitalia, it can't possibly be gay.

Oh, and evaporative emmissions are a real problem. What's $30 a year to be able to breathe?

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

I disagree. Having no genitalia, it can't possibly be gay.

Sexual orientation is not necessarily the same as sexual activity. It is possible for castrated males to be attracted to other males, although their reproductive organs have been removed.

Now what that has to do with the emissions testing in New Hampshire is another story ...

[SVZuki]

$0 for emissions test in Michigan. Thats the way I want it and like it. No tests. For being the state with the Live free or Die slogan I am surprised at how many restrictions NH has. Although, half priced liquor is nice.

[vhmike73]

NY started this type of emissions inspection 1 APR 05. The OBDII inspection is required on vehicles over 2 model years old back to '96. They won't let you get your inspection sticker if your 'check engine' light is on until the code-setting issue is fixed and the light is reset, OR unless you show $450 in attempts to repair the issue at hand, or you fail a second inspection after the attempt to repair. Then you need a waiver, good for one year to get a pass on your inspection. And NYC residents get to pay $37 for the privelage, while the rest of the state pays $21 (up from $14 in '04)

They also toyed with the idea of breaking the month into three periods and forcing you to get your inspection in that window of time, but they scrapped that as quietly as they thought it up.

I haven't heard of motorcycle emissions testing yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if NYC instituted it soon- the City has tougher emissions standards than the rest of the state.

[inspiron]

They've been making a big deal of this on the radio over here.

In Germany, any bike being registered (including re-registering it after the winter storage) as of April 1st will be subject to an emissions test. Every bike has to be tested every two years, costing the owner an additional EUR 35 to EUR 50.

The stupid part of this law is that the emission standards are so low for most bikes that more than 90% will pass. The only bikes that won't pass are those that are buring waaay too rich, or are burning more than a quart of oil every 500 miles.

[92Notch]

MD has been doing this for at least the last 10 years (in AA and BA county at least). ... Sniff test on everything after 1976 or 1977 (unless you have "historic" or "street-rod" tags on the car) ... treadmill / sniff test for some ... '96 newer just get plugged in. cost was $14 last time I did it, required every two years ... only state facility's do it ... no garages. I don't think you have to get bikes done, and definitly not diesels.

[stp1971]

Ok,,,here is a tid bit of info for ya. I have a code scanner machine that I bought from Pep Boys a few years ago. It scans all cars 1996 and up. It also goes even further by showing you a running scan as well. The really neat thing is when you are done checking the codes,, if any pop up,, you can completely clear the stored codes.

Why is that important??? because my 1997 Mercury Gran Marquis keeps popping a stored code of a bad right bank catalyst. It does not run bad,, does not act up,, just the check engine light comes on about every 2000 miles. I would fix it but the repair bill I was quoted was $1050.00 on a car I bought for $3000.00 . I just get my handy $300.00 toy out right before I drive into the emissions bay,, plug it in,, scan it,, then erase the codes.

They plug it in and see no codes becuase the computer does not have a chance to run through it's diagnostic scan prior to getting rescanned.

I will be repairing the car myself later on,, but for now it works just fine. 24 mpg on the highway,, 19 in the city,, no smoke,, no bad smells,, and it runs just fine.

Emissions is a rip most of the time.

[Clint]

Clearing the codes doesn't change what the sensors are reporting. You're fooling yourself.

The emissions that are regulated are clear and odorless. You certainly can't claim to be doing no harm to the envirionment based on your sensory assessment.

If you had done some more shopping you could have had that cat replaced for much cheaper. Heck, for not much more than your little toy cost, and you could sleep better knowing you're not part of the problem.

Everyone says, "I'm not polluting much". Well together, you're polluting a crapload. Do your part!

[Scott58]

Not part of the problem? Don't want to turn this into a political/environmental debate, but chances are it's way to late to save the planet. Projected population numbers pretty much insure that. We are all part of the problem unless you want to go back to grass huts and walk around with a basket on your head. And even then water will become an issue way before "being able to breath" will. Just my 2 cents.

[Clint]

So we shouldn't even try?

[stp1971]

It is not a catalytic converter, an O2 sensor, or even a EGR valave that is the problem. It is a wiring problem and a computer gliche that is causing the codes to pop. The computer thinks the O2 sensor or the catalytic converter is bad and it pops the code.

I know this because the shop has replaced already a TPS, an O2 sensor, and part of the brain system. They said all along that was the problem. Yep,, after $675.00 later I still have the problem and I am done with it. They said I can replace part of the harness and the main brain and that should fix it. Not a chance. But the state of Georgia says that if any code is stored then it warrants a repair.

I am not fixing anymore on that car and when my friend ran a sniffer on the car it came out clean. But that doesn't matter to the state that it runs clean and all,, just that the computer says it's acting up so it has to be fixed.

Ever try dealing with your local DMV officials???? If you have then you know the attitude and the mentality I have dealt with.

So as I said,, I reset my computer before going in. But that is my circumstances.

[Copperhead]

If you want to see how your state ranks on pollution emmisions of all sorts,check out this site.Very informative maps and data here.

http://www.scorecard.org/

[inspiron]

The question which I often ask (and has never been answered) is:

Which produces more pollution - my car, which runs about 1 hour per day, burning about 4 liters of diesel (through a catalitic converter) to get me to and from work, -or- a pack-a-day smoker who uses public transportation, but burns 20 cigarettes over the course of a day. A cigarette releases thousands of unfiltered chemicals into the air. 20 cigarettes, each burning about 5 minutes, means that a pack of cigarettes burns for more than 1.5 hours.

There are BILLIONS of cigarettes burned every day across the planet. Won't these have more impact on air quality than the regulated exhaust of a vehicle?

[TechJD]

It's easyer to pick on the little guys or miniorty
motorcycle riders number about 2% of all motorized transpertaion on the road
so there are less people to raise a stink about it
it's not that I not for clean air but fastory's can get away with more as can semi's as they make up a lot more of the people doing/using
if they imposed such checks on semi's then a lot of freight wont get moved which would hurt the economy, just like shuting down factories