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[NCBoulevard]

Originally Posted by The Teach

"He's 19 and if I were his parent I'd ...." Yeah whatever tough guy.

TT

My comments were based on experience. The smartassed 19 year old I had a similar situation with is now almost your age and he managed to turn out just fine. Sometimes a swift kick in the butt is what's required and based on what was written in the first post I would of offered him the chance to make good on his threat (the threat to his father).

You might not care for that as a solution but then again you haven't actually had to deal with the problem. Write again in 10 or 15 years when you've raised a teenager to adulthood and then your views on my post might have some credence.

Until then Ride Safe.

[The Teach]

Even though your comment was very well articulated, it seems you've totally miss-understood my point. I wasn't making a comment about your children nor the way any of us have been raised; however, I believe it’s wrong to stereo type people, and especially stereo typing people because of their age. (You know stereo type, it’s the thing you just lovingly did it to me in your last post. )

Again, we all do in fact have different relationships with our parents and kids (as stated before). Making a comment that someone you don’t know just needs a kick in the arse based on one post and his age is a statement of ignorance and haste rather then understanding and patience. I’m sure your kids worked out fine (don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back there), but the sooner you understand that “your kick arse solutions” might not work for everyone, things might be a little better for everyone.

I work with kids almost every day and I do believe in firm punishment (firm punishment of my own children); however, the day I correct someone else’s kid with violence is the day they need to remove me as I’ve become a threat rather then a mentor.

I’m a lefty and balding by the way. I’m sure there are some nice stereo types you can think of there to discredit this logical and well thought out post. (Sorry mods.. I had to throw in this last one.)

[MagnumForce]

While your posts are well meaning, how about we cool it with the "how to raise kids" discussions. It's evident that different parents have different methods of raising children and not all children are the same in any given situation. We should, however, read this thread and hopefully learn from a fellow rider's mishap and hope that this would not happen to any of us. I, for one, am glad that this thread is starting to take a more positive turn.

[Jerryzuki]

I love this internet thingie

[bajaraider]

Just now saw the post. Tough break man. Npt to thread jack, but I remember when I first scratched my bike. That feeling... No good. Glad to hear it is all working out though. Not to harp on ya, but as some advice I give a lot of people. Keep you parents close. It sucks when they are gone. Good luck on the repairs, or better still think of them as mods. Then it sounds better!

[NCBoulevard]

Originally Posted by The Teach

Even though your comment was very well articulated, it seems you've totally miss-understood my point. I wasn't making a comment about your children nor the way any of us have been raised; however, I believe it’s wrong to stereo type people, and especially stereo typing people because of their age. (You know stereo type, it’s the thing you just lovingly did it to me in your last post. )

I never implied that you made a comment about my son nor did I stereo type <sic> you or the original poster. My comments toward him were based on the information I had at the time just as my reply to you was based on the information you've provided in your profile. This internet thing being what it is if we all waited until we knew all the facts regarding any given post there would be a lot of 1 message posts with 0 replies.

Again, we all do in fact have different relationships with our parents and kids (as stated before). Making a comment that someone you don’t know just needs a kick in the arse based on one post and his age is a statement of ignorance and haste rather then understanding and patience. I’m sure your kids worked out fine (don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back there), but the sooner you understand that “your kick arse solutions” might not work for everyone, things might be a little better for everyone.

I made no comment on other's method of raising their children. My comment was strictly my own thoughts regarding my handling of a similar situation a few years ago. My mentioning the incident at all was intended to clarify why I posted what I did. Apparently the intent was lost on you.

I work with kids almost every day and I do believe in firm punishment (firm punishment of my own children); however, the day I correct someone else’s kid with violence is the day they need to remove me as I’ve become a threat rather then a mentor.

Couldn't agree more.

I’m a lefty and balding by the way. I’m sure there are some nice stereo types you can think of there to discredit this logical and well thought out post. (Sorry mods.. I had to throw in this last one.)

I'm also a lefty so no ribbing there. I do have (most) of my hair. Mostly gray though.

This will be the end of my participation in this thread btw. I'm starting to smell dead horse.

[ForbidInjustice]

I have to stand in agreement partially with everyone, in that you shouldn't trust anyone to check those types of road conditions.. your mother doesn't ride, right? You know that what may be perfectly fine weather to drive a 4-wheeled automobile in, may not be safe conditions for a biker. Given the design and physics of our two-wheeled machines, it's quite easy for a wheel to slip from under us, especially if we have not evaluated the road condition ahead, and encounter it unexpectedly. Mud, gravel, wet leaves, wet paint [that may even look dry].. caveat!

I'm surprised that so much damage was incurred in mud! But.. thankfully only to your bike, and not yourself. It'd be nice to have some wood handy for muddy situations. I'm not exactly sure how you're set up over there, but some good pieces of wood, even particle board, would be handy to drop over any wet ground on days like that, to get your bike in and out safely.. granted you decide to ride in that forecasted weather, of course. At least until the road gets fixed, you'll have something there.

You've heard plenty of bashing from everyone about fixing the situation between you and your folks. I won't even get into that. You will make the right decision on how to handle this; I know it.

Your father runs the automotive shop.. paint and body too, I presume? Well, go-go gadget Spray Gun! I'm sure he can get that painted to match. Then onto ordering decals, then a clear coat. Flush mount signals, extended frame sliders.. all cheap pieces of equipment [and worth it, when they work]. Now that I think about it, since when the frame slider hit the wet mud, it sunk into the ground, rendering it almost useless.. so the fairing, upper, turn signal, and probably tail.. all take a rash.

When are you going to come pick up that Proficient Motorcycling book from me? [David Hough, 2000] -- He does address the above situation in depth, by the way.


Feel the taste of freedom; ride on wind!

[BigD]

Originally Posted by NCBoulevard

I'm starting to smell dead horse.

+100. You sir are correct!

[CManT1914]

Dre, yea everything is cool between my parents and I. Our road is actually mostly rock, just that one section is dirt/mud. The frame slider hit a rock apparently and shattered. But if it hadn't been there, the fairing probably would have taken that impact and had shattered.

None of the paint itself is scratched except for on the upper fairing. Just the vinyl graphics, which my dad can reproduce. So we're gonna do that friday. As for the upper fairing, we have a color that matches it, so we're just gonna overlay a sheet on the scratches, and cover it up. Nice! (we don't do paint and body, just accessories)

I COMPLETELY forgot about that book! I think I still have your number. I'll call you tonight or tomorrow and see what your schedule is like so I can pick that book up. Thanks again bro!

[Rocken]

Did you even slow down for the mud or did you just go on the word of your mom. I have a dirt drive. I keep the bike strate and slow tell I get to the blacktop and even then I have to swerve back and forth to get all the mud off of the tires befor I take lean throw a turn.
If your lucky your Mom will feal guilty and pay for the parts. lol....

[Bluecruzer]

(is it time to close this thread yet?)

*hinting*

[Trapper]

We don't close threads where there is some lessons to be learned.

[CManT1914]

Originally Posted by Rocken

Did you even slow down for the mud or did you just go on the word of your mom. I have a dirt drive. I keep the bike strate and slow tell I get to the blacktop and even then I have to swerve back and forth to get all the mud off of the tires befor I take lean throw a turn.
If your lucky your Mom will feal guilty and pay for the parts. lol....

Hmmmm......... I thought I had already mentioned I slowed down, maybe not. Yea I came to a complete stop and looked at the road, and it did look dry, but it wasn't. I should have gotten off and walked through it first, but I didn't. Live and learn I guess (I will NOT make that mistake again!).

Originally Posted by Bluecruzer

(is it time to close this thread yet?)

*hinting*

And why do you think this thread should be closed?

[Bluecruzer]

Originally Posted by CManT1914

Hmmmm......... I thought I had already mentioned I slowed down, maybe not. Yea I came to a complete stop and looked at the road, and it did look dry, but it wasn't. I should have gotten off and walked through it first, but I didn't. Live and learn I guess (I will NOT make that mistake again!).

And why do you think this thread should be closed?

To answer the second question, was getting way off topic on family matters...

... to add to your first point...

"...and it did look dry..."

If it looked dry to you then how the heck could you blame your mom?

[CManT1914]

Originally Posted by Bluecruzer

To answer the second question, was getting way off topic on family matters...

... to add to your first point...

"...and it did look dry..."

If it looked dry to you then how the heck could you blame your mom?

Whatever dude, I'm not getting into this again. If you had actually READ the thread, I NEVER blamed my mom.

[Rocken]

This is one of thos threads you wish wood just disaper. hint hint...
It is over all ready.
I think the world is still going around and around

[Bluecruzer]

Originally Posted by CManT1914

Whatever dude, I'm not getting into this again. If you had actually READ the thread, I NEVER blamed my mom.

yo...CManT1914... I did read it... please don't blast me like that when I asked a simple question after you posted these lines...

I yelled back and said 'all I needed was for you to check the road!'. (blaming)

Never depend on anybody to do anything for you. (blaming)

Well she didn't, but told me it was fine. (blaming)

Thanks for nothing. (blaming)

Anyway sorry I asked.

[CManT1914]

Blue, my apologies if you think I was blasting you. That wasn't my intention. While it may sound like I was blaming her, in the end, I rode through, I know it was my fault. The ONLY thing I was mad about (besides wrecking my bike) was if I had known before I came home that the road was bad, I could have left the bike in town and drove the truck home. That's all. We good bro?
-Chris

[Bluecruzer]

It's all good.

[tlwisner]

The KLR 650 is a nice bike. Sorry to hear about the spill.