Yamaha is not happy! - Motorcycle-Journal Forums

azoazc · 02-14-2006, 11:25 AM

Read it online today. After the fiasco of the R6's falsely advertised redline Yamaha is buying back the bikes from dissatisfied owners. Good news if you want and R6 for cheap!! Yamaha dealers may have a good amount of used ones soon.

MagnumForce · 02-14-2006, 11:35 AM

Thanks, but I'll keep my CBR!

Here's an article I found:http://www.motorcycledaily.com/01february06_redline.htm

This topic is also picking up in the sportrider.com forums.

**Clint** · 02-14-2006, 11:55 AM

Oh for crying out loud! Does it change your motorcycling experience if you can only rev to 16,000? Nope. Whiny posers.

That being said, Yamaha did blow it with their ads. At least they're taking responsibility.

MagnumForce · 02-14-2006, 12:20 PM

I beat your post by 6 minutes Louis. Check two posts above yours.

**Louis** · 02-14-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZridr1

I beat your post by 6 minutes Louis. Check two posts above yours.

Huh? what are you talking about? This post is my first contribution to this thread

MagnumForce · 02-14-2006, 12:52 PM

Ahh... so you possess the power of the force. I'll make sure to quote your post next time.

Edit by Louis: Ya think that's gonna stop me?

azoazc · 02-14-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

Oh for crying out loud! Does it change your motorcycling experience if you can only rev to 16,000? Nope. Whiny posers.

That being said, Yamaha did blow it with their ads. At least they're taking responsibility.

+1 on the posers. If not for a chassis dyno they never would have known.

**Louis** · 02-14-2006, 01:10 PM

http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...78&postcount=6

MagnumForce · 02-14-2006, 01:17 PM

I'm starting to have this funny feeling that I'm gaining the affection of yet another Quebecois admin.

Anyhoo, +1 on the posers. Just shut up and color! The R6 is NOT a F1 race car.

tlwisner · 02-14-2006, 01:30 PM

If Yamaha billed the R6 as revving up to 17,500 rpm and on this plane of existence it falls more than 1000 rpm short - well they are basically lying scum. No cheers for Yamaha's PR liars. They rigged the tachs too? Damn, that is pretty low.....

**inspiron** · 02-14-2006, 03:29 PM

My bike has a redline and a rev-limiter, which I have hit ONCE, when I was passing a car on a mountain pass, and was accelerating like crazy to get past him before the next curve. The redline is absoulutely UNIMPORTANT. The power curve for any internal combustion engine shows that the maximum power is reached in the middle of the RPM curve, not at the top of it. My bike redlines over 9,000 rpm, but reaches maximum horsepower at 6,800 rpm, and maximum torque at 5,000 rpm.

tlwisner · 02-14-2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inspiron

The redline is absoulutely UNIMPORTANT.

The redline is important to people who are trying to buy an image instead of a bike - they want to rev it up all the way to 17,500 in their garage when they're drinking a few brewskis with their "riding" buddies. But it was wrong for Yamaha to flagrantly misrepresent this in their marketing.

**Clint** · 02-14-2006, 03:37 PM

@ inspiron: True, but that's a result of intentional tuning and not an inherent characteristic of the engine.

**inspiron** · 02-14-2006, 04:37 PM

Clint, I know. Every engine is a comprimise. The engineers have to choose between longevity and performance. There are certainly some physical aspects to this curve, too ... like how fast mixture can enter the chamber and how fast exhaust can be pushed out. At higher revs, the valves are the limiting factor - that's why the Wankel (rotary) engine was interesting: No valves, no theoretically no redline. (Of course, the Wankel engine has other issues like vibration and lower effiency to deal with).

A formula-1 racing engine now has to hold up for 2 consecutive races, so all together, it may run about 600 miles between rebuilds. As a consumer, I expect my bike engine to go 5000 miles between oil changes and to run more than 75000 miles before I have to tear it down.

Rickster · 02-14-2006, 04:54 PM

False advertising, is false advertising, and it's just wrong. and if they rigged the tach's to, well that's just twice as wrong.

**drgibson** · 02-14-2006, 08:45 PM

He he Hey Ez I think you just got neutered!!!

blackie1491 · 02-14-2006, 09:17 PM

dr, you and I are about as safe as EZ.

MagnumForce · 02-14-2006, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgibson

He he Hey Ez I think you just got neutered!!!

Well jeeze... thanks for feeding me!!!

stp1971 · 02-15-2006, 07:46 AM

Well it may be wrong for them to lie and mislead the public. But seriously,, I don't think it very healthy to be revving to 17500 anyways,, if you are into revving your engine that high then kudos to you. Some may call it cool,,,, I would call you a fool.

Absolutely no sense in it.

**inspiron** · 02-15-2006, 07:49 AM

"Why did you want to climb Mount Everest?"

"Because it was there."

Why rev an engine to the red-line?
Because it is there.

02-14-2006, 11:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
azoazc Kickstand Operator Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 259	Yamaha is not happy! Read it online today. After the fiasco of the R6's falsely advertised redline Yamaha is buying back the bikes from dissatisfied owners. Good news if you want and R6 for cheap!! Yamaha dealers may have a good amount of used ones soon. __________________ www.banditalley.com www.wnysportriders.org If water feels like concrete at 100MPH, what does concrete feel like? WEAR YOUR GEAR!!!! Edited by ME

02-14-2006, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
MagnumForce Throttle Jockey Joined: May 2005 Bike: 05 M50, 06 CBR600F4i Location: Sitting on the can... duh! Posts: 3,160	Thanks, but I'll keep my CBR! Here's an article I found:http://www.motorcycledaily.com/01february06_redline.htm This topic is also picking up in the sportrider.com forums. __________________ "I love the smell of toner in the morning… it's the smell of victory!" MAJ M, Staff Officer Last edited by MagnumForce; 02-14-2006 at 12:05 PM.

02-14-2006, 12:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
MagnumForce Throttle Jockey Joined: May 2005 Bike: 05 M50, 06 CBR600F4i Location: Sitting on the can... duh! Posts: 3,160	I beat your post by 6 minutes Louis. Check two posts above yours. __________________ "I love the smell of toner in the morning… it's the smell of victory!" MAJ M, Staff Officer

02-14-2006, 12:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
MagnumForce Throttle Jockey Joined: May 2005 Bike: 05 M50, 06 CBR600F4i Location: Sitting on the can... duh! Posts: 3,160	Ahh... so you possess the power of the force. I'll make sure to quote your post next time. Edit by Louis: Ya think that's gonna stop me? __________________ "I love the smell of toner in the morning… it's the smell of victory!" MAJ M, Staff Officer Last edited by Louis; 02-14-2006 at 01:10 PM.

02-14-2006, 01:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Louis Administrator Joined: Sep 2003 Bike: SV650S '05 (Blue) Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada Posts: 10,657	http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...78&postcount=6 __________________ Louis

02-14-2006, 01:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
MagnumForce Throttle Jockey Joined: May 2005 Bike: 05 M50, 06 CBR600F4i Location: Sitting on the can... duh! Posts: 3,160	I'm starting to have this funny feeling that I'm gaining the affection of yet another Quebecois admin. Anyhoo, +1 on the posers. Just shut up and color! The R6 is NOT a F1 race car. __________________ "I love the smell of toner in the morning… it's the smell of victory!" MAJ M, Staff Officer

02-14-2006, 01:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
tlwisner Throttle Jockey Joined: Apr 2004 Bike: '05 Boulevard C50 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 3,208	If Yamaha billed the R6 as revving up to 17,500 rpm and on this plane of existence it falls more than 1000 rpm short - well they are basically lying scum. No cheers for Yamaha's PR liars. They rigged the tachs too? Damn, that is pretty low..... __________________ Tim Wisner AMA, SCRC Happiness is something we create

02-14-2006, 03:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 12,073	My bike has a redline and a rev-limiter, which I have hit ONCE, when I was passing a car on a mountain pass, and was accelerating like crazy to get past him before the next curve. The redline is absoulutely UNIMPORTANT. The power curve for any internal combustion engine shows that the maximum power is reached in the middle of the RPM curve, not at the top of it. My bike redlines over 9,000 rpm, but reaches maximum horsepower at 6,800 rpm, and maximum torque at 5,000 rpm. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

02-14-2006, 04:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 12,073	Clint, I know. Every engine is a comprimise. The engineers have to choose between longevity and performance. There are certainly some physical aspects to this curve, too ... like how fast mixture can enter the chamber and how fast exhaust can be pushed out. At higher revs, the valves are the limiting factor - that's why the Wankel (rotary) engine was interesting: No valves, no theoretically no redline. (Of course, the Wankel engine has other issues like vibration and lower effiency to deal with). A formula-1 racing engine now has to hold up for 2 consecutive races, so all together, it may run about 600 miles between rebuilds. As a consumer, I expect my bike engine to go 5000 miles between oil changes and to run more than 75000 miles before I have to tear it down. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

02-14-2006, 04:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rickster Throttle Jockey Joined: Oct 2005 Location: St Paul Mn Posts: 3,137	False advertising, is false advertising, and it's just wrong. and if they rigged the tach's to, well that's just twice as wrong.

02-14-2006, 08:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
drgibson Antebellum Mod Joined: Jul 2005 Bike: 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 Location: Dallas, Texas Directly above the center of the earth. Posts: 10,742	He he Hey Ez I think you just got neutered!!! __________________ “Please Remember to Kazoo Responsibly.”

02-14-2006, 09:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,331	dr, you and I are about as safe as EZ.

02-15-2006, 07:46 AM	#19 (permalink)
stp1971 May 2007 Member of the month Joined: Mar 2005 Bike: 2004 Suzuki Intruder 1500LC / 2005 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom Location: Douglasville, Georgia Posts: 7,833	Well it may be wrong for them to lie and mislead the public. But seriously,, I don't think it very healthy to be revving to 17500 anyways,, if you are into revving your engine that high then kudos to you. Some may call it cool,,,, I would call you a fool. Absolutely no sense in it. __________________ Biketoberfest 2006 flashback courtesy of Intimid8er: "Like you knew damn well you shouldn't eat something like that, but all be damned to hell, you were gonna eat it!" __________________

02-15-2006, 07:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 12,073	"Why did you want to climb Mount Everest?" "Because it was there." Why rev an engine to the red-line? Because it is there. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

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