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B-Rex · 03-30-2008, 01:49 PM

Actually, Missouri's "shall issue" CCW law is only a few years old and permits were not actually being issued in St.Louis county until about a year ago. The two major cities in Missouri, St. Louis and Kansas City were the last in Missouri to comply with the "shall issue" CCW law.

If St. louis follows the national trend, within a few years of "citizen resistance" to crime, I expect the violent crime rate to begin to fall there. Criminals hate it when their "victims" can shoot back.

I don't want to sound any more preachy than I usually do but you might consider your previous experience good luck. It reminds me of the patient lying in bed in the "Cardiac Critical Care Unit" saying, "Doc, I just don't understand it, I never had heart attack before!"

I think you have been very fortunate during your time in Chicago. I hope your good fortune continues and you NEVER have to use a gun in self-defense. IMHO, you are a wise man in gaining your permit and preparing to purchase a firearm. Treated carefully, they can be an enjoyable form of recreation.

And they can save your life!

B-Rex

omegajim · 03-30-2008, 04:03 PM

Inspiron, unfortunately my country (the good ole USA) is so dyed in the wool about individuals rights to gun ownership, rules, regulations and penalties aren't going to change things much.

Literally, the best we can do now, is to allowed concealed carry.

Because, when all is said and done, our police in the metropolitan areas usually aren't allowed shotguns, rifles and such, and get outgunned by the serious criminal element.

jprisme · 03-30-2008, 04:07 PM

yea i know in los angeles everyone remembered how that bank job turned into a shooting gallery a few men took on dam near all the police in los angeles. while they still had bullets and guns the police had to go to the nearest store to get some more ammo. i bet uncle sam was not expecting that

frostbitevinnie · 03-30-2008, 06:00 PM

Well doggonnit we should just vote to make it illegal for criminals to own guns. Problem solved, y'all can sleep easy now.

amvince · 03-30-2008, 07:21 PM

Not a bad idea Vinnie. Then we can set up a checkpoint and arrest all the criminals when they show up to vote.

omegajim · 03-30-2008, 09:07 PM

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Not a bad idea Vinnie. Then we can set up a checkpoint and arrest all the criminals when they show up to vote.

I thought convicted felons couldn't vote.

amvince · 03-30-2008, 09:26 PM

Ahh someone sniffed out my joke. Hopefully they aren't samrt enough to know that.

**inspiron** · 03-31-2008, 02:51 AM

With gun ownership comes responsibility. If people aren't willing to act responsibly when carrying a weapon, they do not deserve the right.

B-Rex · 03-31-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by inspiron

With gun ownership comes responsibility. If people aren't willing to act responsibly when carrying a weapon, they do not deserve the right.

Amen!

B-Rex

frostbitevinnie · 03-31-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by omegajim

I thought convicted felons couldn't vote.

All you need is to present your utility bill. What are they gonna send them a letter stating their vote has been rejected? Heck, even illegal aliens vote these days. We had an illegal here in MN, hit a school bus and killed a couple of kids. Fake DL.

KD57 · 03-31-2008, 07:56 AM

We had a case of road rage this morning, dude shot another drivers window out w/ a shotgun. Good people go thru life expecting not to have bad things happen, they expect others to live as they do, and get lulled into a false sense of security. It can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere. It's up to you to make the choice if you want to be able to defend yourself or not.

The Luby's massacre in TX opened my eyes to what can happen. I was pulling out of the parking lot, as he was pulling in. Many defensless people were murdered that day.

amvince · 03-31-2008, 08:21 AM

There are idiots everywhere who have no respect for anybody including themselves and I don't think there is any way to stop them no matter what laws are out in place. If they have a disregard for other peoples lives and possesions they won't have any respect for any laws put in place. Remember its me first, and I don't care who I have to hurt to get mine. Even if it is only the next spot up in a traffic jam. That is the attitude all of these people have.

I say forget the Death Penalty and lets send them all to the North Pole with nothing but a Walmart sweater. Now how do we round them all up?

Mavman · 03-31-2008, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD57

We had a case of road rage this morning, dude shot another drivers window out w/ a shotgun. Good people go thru life expecting not to have bad things happen, they expect others to live as they do, and get lulled into a false sense of security. It can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere.

looks like SoCal ain't got it any better.

http://omaha.cox.net/cci/newsnationa...alidatearticle

03-30-2008, 04:03 PM	#62 (permalink)
omegajim M-J Member of the Month! Joined: Jan 2007 Bike: 1980 Yamaha XS850 Location: Washington County, WI Posts: 5,598	Inspiron, unfortunately my country (the good ole USA) is so dyed in the wool about individuals rights to gun ownership, rules, regulations and penalties aren't going to change things much. Literally, the best we can do now, is to allowed concealed carry. Because, when all is said and done, our police in the metropolitan areas usually aren't allowed shotguns, rifles and such, and get outgunned by the serious criminal element. __________________ "FREE TIBET!"* With purchase of one Tibet of equal or greater value.

03-30-2008, 04:07 PM	#63 (permalink)
jprisme Ditch Magnet Joined: Dec 2007 Bike: gsxr 1000 2007 Location: los angeles Posts: 174	yea i know in los angeles everyone remembered how that bank job turned into a shooting gallery a few men took on dam near all the police in los angeles. while they still had bullets and guns the police had to go to the nearest store to get some more ammo. i bet uncle sam was not expecting that __________________ i have mutiplus sclerosis and well i wanted to ride since i was young so i saved up my money and got good credit and bought me a hell of a bike. i never looked back since

03-30-2008, 06:00 PM	#64 (permalink)
frostbitevinnie No Significant Other Joined: Jul 2007 Bike: 07' C90T 76' MT250 Location: 3rd house NW of the Depot Posts: 2,413	Well doggonnit we should just vote to make it illegal for criminals to own guns. Problem solved, y'all can sleep easy now. __________________ "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich women than Bikers..." ---Unknown

03-30-2008, 07:21 PM	#65 (permalink)
amvince Fifth gear streak Joined: Jan 2008 Bike: 07 M50 Black, 06 Ninja 250 Blue Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,572	Not a bad idea Vinnie. Then we can set up a checkpoint and arrest all the criminals when they show up to vote. __________________ "ALL I CAN DO IS WHAT I CAN DO"

03-30-2008, 09:26 PM	#67 (permalink)
amvince Fifth gear streak Joined: Jan 2008 Bike: 07 M50 Black, 06 Ninja 250 Blue Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,572	Ahh someone sniffed out my joke. Hopefully they aren't samrt enough to know that. __________________ "ALL I CAN DO IS WHAT I CAN DO"

03-30-2008, 01:49 PM	#61 (permalink)
B-Rex Kickstand Operator Joined: Jan 2008 Bike: 2008 Suzuki B-King Location: Midwest Posts: 297	Actually, Missouri's "shall issue" CCW law is only a few years old and permits were not actually being issued in St.Louis county until about a year ago. The two major cities in Missouri, St. Louis and Kansas City were the last in Missouri to comply with the "shall issue" CCW law. If St. louis follows the national trend, within a few years of "citizen resistance" to crime, I expect the violent crime rate to begin to fall there. Criminals hate it when their "victims" can shoot back. I don't want to sound any more preachy than I usually do but you might consider your previous experience good luck. It reminds me of the patient lying in bed in the "Cardiac Critical Care Unit" saying, "Doc, I just don't understand it, I never had heart attack before!" I think you have been very fortunate during your time in Chicago. I hope your good fortune continues and you NEVER have to use a gun in self-defense. IMHO, you are a wise man in gaining your permit and preparing to purchase a firearm. Treated carefully, they can be an enjoyable form of recreation. And they can save your life! B-Rex

03-31-2008, 02:51 AM	#68 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 11,743	With gun ownership comes responsibility. If people aren't willing to act responsibly when carrying a weapon, they do not deserve the right. __________________ There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe blog: gsx1400

03-31-2008, 07:56 AM	#71 (permalink)
KD57 No Significant Other Joined: Oct 2007 Bike: 2008 ZZR600 Location: Under a rock in Texas Posts: 2,373	We had a case of road rage this morning, dude shot another drivers window out w/ a shotgun. Good people go thru life expecting not to have bad things happen, they expect others to live as they do, and get lulled into a false sense of security. It can happen to anybody, anytime, anywhere. It's up to you to make the choice if you want to be able to defend yourself or not. The Luby's massacre in TX opened my eyes to what can happen. I was pulling out of the parking lot, as he was pulling in. Many defensless people were murdered that day. __________________ The "other" ZZR rider.

03-31-2008, 08:21 AM	#72 (permalink)
amvince Fifth gear streak Joined: Jan 2008 Bike: 07 M50 Black, 06 Ninja 250 Blue Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,572	There are idiots everywhere who have no respect for anybody including themselves and I don't think there is any way to stop them no matter what laws are out in place. If they have a disregard for other peoples lives and possesions they won't have any respect for any laws put in place. Remember its me first, and I don't care who I have to hurt to get mine. Even if it is only the next spot up in a traffic jam. That is the attitude all of these people have. I say forget the Death Penalty and lets send them all to the North Pole with nothing but a Walmart sweater. Now how do we round them all up? __________________ "ALL I CAN DO IS WHAT I CAN DO"

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