Great Military Comebacks!!

[omegajim]

I have to post this with the title "great military comebacks."

I kind of figured it wasn't about the French.

[Ext1jdh]

Originally Posted by BigAl

I said caught by American Fisherman, NOT cooked by Mexican immigrants.

Sorry, but in suburban Chicagoland, it's pretty difficult to find a 16 year old kid with a strong enough work ethic to go out and mop a floor, stock groceries, be an auto porter, cook a shrimp, flip a burger, clean a toilet or wash a window.

I honestly don't care if they're legal or not, they are doing jobs that many Americans think they're too good for. They're living in the US and contributing to the GDP.

But what do I know.

[Sgt Mike]

My post is political? Contrary to what you believe it is not, nor was it meant to be It has to do with American pride and the priviledge to live here. I didn't mention any one who's a politician and don't want to because politics give me the upchucks. Everything I have I owe to this great country, no it's not perfect but it is still the greatest and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I truly believe that America's contributions to the betterment of the world are far greater than the mistakes that it has done to harm the world. No Clint, in my patriotic view this post is not political, it is simply American. But, since you have the power to ban, I shall no longer post anything that praises America and Americans.

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

I find I find Mike's post to be in defiance of repeated requests that he not post politics here.

[Sgt Mike]

It's not, but on the other hand why is praising America gounds to belittle the one who does. I'll leave the media and the press to grind America in the ground, lord knows their good at it.

Originally Posted by BigAl

How is questioning what we do being UnAmerican? Al

[frostbitevinnie]

Originally Posted by Sgt Mike

My post is political? Contrary to what you believe it is not, nor was it meant to be It has to do with American pride and the privilege to live here. :

I did not see it as political either. Professing pride in ones own country, yes. If that is wrong then I am surely a terrible offender. If a member from another country were to boast about their country I think that is great. A person should have pride in their nation of birth or residence. My wife is a citizen of Ukraine and she is proud of it as she should be. It causes no argument between us and I find it quite natural to have such sentiments. Now if she were to spout off frequently telling me how bad America is then there would be a problem.

It has become apparent to me that as soon as a thread is begun concerning national pride there is nothing but argument and some itching to jump on the U.S. bashing bandwagon.

Nuff said, I'm out.

[Low&Slow]

Originally Posted by frostbitevinnie

I did not see it as political either. Professing pride in ones own country, yes. If that is wrong then I am surely a terrible offender. If a member from another country were to boast about their country I think that is great. A person should have pride in their nation of birth or residence. My wife is a citizen of Ukraine and she is proud of it as she should be. It causes no argument between us and I find it quite natural to have such sentiments. Now if she were to spout off frequently telling me how bad America is then there would be a problem.

It has become apparent to me that as soon as a thread is begun concerning national pride there is nothing but argument and some itching to jump on the U.S. bashing bandwagon.

Nuff said, I'm out.

[Clint]

Not U.S. bashing, Vinnie, but arguing against the unnecessary bashing of other nations. For some reason, Mike's support for our troops often seems to involve slamming someone else.

We're all in this together, and fabricated stories written to attack other nations aren't what I consider good citizenship. Our image worldwide is in poor shape, and this type of thing certainly doesn't help. You could argue that image doesn't matter, but I think it does.

[frostbitevinnie]

In my way of thinking our image can only be criticized by those with clean hands. We are being criticized for being in Iraq right?

Are these the countries we are trying to impress? Where to start?

Germany, in bed with Saddam, before the war, over oil deals.

France, in bed with Saddam, before the war, over oil deals. They have their own problem with "protesters" and something about 9000+ cars destroyed and other property.

Spain, checked out once terrorist bombed the train station to turn the election results. Too chicken to defend their own people.

Russia, 1,000,000 innocent Chechnya civilians killed and tortured over the last 10 years.

Most if not all of Africa. War, war, war. Oops it is "civil" war.

India, ethnic cleansing.

Most if not all of the Arab nations. Gov't media control for all except those that can afford satellite TV, women have little or no rights, there are no gays in Iran (all dead I suppose), most, if not all christian religious activity is illegal and if a christian is assaulted a blind eye is turned, freedom of speech is limited and monitored.

No. Korea, gotta love Elvis!!

Many Asian nations, lots of human sex slavery going on there.

Australia, still struggling with the Aborigine problem.

So. America, Hugo Chavez (should we listen to his criticism?) Fox, uuuggghhh.

Now maybe this is just more bashing of other nations. I know we are not perfect and NEVER WILL BE!! But shouldn't our critics be innocent themselves? I don't think such a nation exists. I think if we stop our Big Brother attitude we will suffer the same if not more criticism for our lack of help/involvement. We could just turn a blind eye to the next Saddam, Milosevic, etc... Lets see what happens besides a lot of dead people.

[Thundurburd]

The world is not a perfect place. That statement might seem obvious and an oversimplification, but I think it's a perspective we need to have. The world does seem to be more dishonest and corrupt to me than ever before, but in all fairness and looking back in history, I've come to the conclusion it probably isn't.

While I agree that there should be basic rules of conduct and general guidelines for a forum like this, it is after all a motorcycle forum, I don't think that thought control or and trying to enforce political correctness is an effective course, at least in my opinion.

I get emails of things like that which Mike posted every day. Some are factual and some are not, some are both, how can you tell. Some make me chuckle, some make me think, and sometimes I learn something I didn't know. I'm seldom offended.

Was anybody offended here? If so speak up it would be good to know.

[frostbitevinnie]

It is a motorcycle forum but as I asked before in another thread what is OT for. Tricker seemed to suggest discussing a bunny with a pancake on its head. Interesting in itself but does not go far. I enjoy a good discourse it is a great way to learn where, how and why others hold views in life.

At work we talk politics frequently. The only problem is that we are 99% in agreement. Patting each other on the back you might say. This is the one place that I can get MC info and topics, an occasional argument, weird stuff, history, factual and not so factual info. So, for me it is a great place to spend time.

BTW you offended me simply by asking if anyone was offended. Hehehe, hahaha, hohoho.

Is it Miller time yet?

[Thundurburd]

Yeah, so far I've laughed every time I see that dumb rabbit with a pancake on it's head.

Sorry I offended you. If I make it to Deals Gap (or somewhere thereabouts) I'll buy you a Miller or two, hehee.

[frostbitevinnie]

And may I say I hope to return the favor!! It would be a privilege to sit, chat and throw down a few with you.

[omegajim]

Sorry, but in suburban Chicagoland, it's pretty difficult to find a 16 year old kid with a strong enough work ethic

it's everywhere. You want a 15 year old kid to move his butt?

$20, if you're lucky.

And even then, they won't move too fast, and if the work is even reasonably tough, they'll turn it down the next time.

[BigAl]

Just got back from a nice long ride to visit a sportsman show in Gonzales Louisiana and read through the last posts.

The remark about not being able to find a person to do the jobs that Mexicans are willing to do is 100% correct and indicative of the fact that we have missed a step raising our children. My parents taught me the value of both hard work and education.

The remarks about what other countries think of us. The standards we set for ourselves is what matters. We need to do the right thing all the time and lead by example. Let them self examine their governments.

We do send a lot of money to Africa and there are individuals that dedicate their lives to help but I do not see us going to war to change the lives of the people that live in small oppressed African nations. It is easy to write a check and then take the moral high ground. NO, lets not start another WAR.

[Low&Slow]

I personally feel that if a people are being murdered in mass and they are unable to defend themselves and you have the capability to stop it, you have an obligation to stop it. If you were walking down the street and saw a big kid kicking the crap out of a little kid, or a man beating a woman senseless, would you pretend you didn't see it or would you try to help? I know what I would do, because I know what I've done.


You can make all kinds of arguments for and against taking action, but I try to think of it from the victims point of view. " Surely the world is not blind to our suffering, why won't somebody help us. " Everyone gets bent out of shape when some a@$hole throws a puppy off a cliff, but where's the outrage when a bunch of thugs cuts the hands off of everyone in a village.

[Clint]

Right. Jolene just related to me that 6,000 people die every day due to poor water supplies.

[frostbitevinnie]

In Ukraine we always had to buy fresh water. I even brushed my teeth and rinsed with purchased bottled water.

[Sgt Mike]

Amen and thanks for the support Vinnie. As I said before, this country has done a lot more for the betterment of the world's nations than it has done to harm them and I challenge any body to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by frostbitevinnie

In my way of thinking our image can only be criticized by those with clean hands. We are being criticized for being in Iraq right?

Are these the countries we are trying to impress? Where to start?

Germany, in bed with Saddam, before the war, over oil deals.

France, in bed with Saddam, before the war, over oil deals. They have their own problem with "protesters" and something about 9000+ cars destroyed and other property.

Spain, checked out once terrorist bombed the train station to turn the election results. Too chicken to defend their own people.

Russia, 1,000,000 innocent Chechnya civilians killed and tortured over the last 10 years.

Most if not all of Africa. War, war, war. Oops it is "civil" war.

India, ethnic cleansing.

Most if not all of the Arab nations. Gov't media control for all except those that can afford satellite TV, women have little or no rights, there are no gays in Iran (all dead I suppose), most, if not all christian religious activity is illegal and if a christian is assaulted a blind eye is turned, freedom of speech is limited and monitored.

No. Korea, gotta love Elvis!!

Many Asian nations, lots of human sex slavery going on there.

Australia, still struggling with the Aborigine problem.

So. America, Hugo Chavez (should we listen to his criticism?) Fox, uuuggghhh.

Now maybe this is just more bashing of other nations. I know we are not perfect and NEVER WILL BE!! But shouldn't our critics be innocent themselves? I don't think such a nation exists. I think if we stop our Big Brother attitude we will suffer the same if not more criticism for our lack of help/involvement. We could just turn a blind eye to the next Saddam, Milosevic, etc... Lets see what happens besides a lot of dead people.

[Sgt Mike]

Not' s not true or correct or factual. Most of todays kids are fat and lazy, they don't want to work for something they want it given to them. Go to a mall and listen to these kids talking, theiy are not happy nor productive. And guess who made them that way? Why is it that many nations are having much better educated kids than this country? You should worry about them because a lot of them will not succeed with the way that they are being raised through high school, they don't have the competitive edge anymore.

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

I don't worry about them. They won't have the unrealistic expectation that the country should be as it was years ago. They'll learn to adapt and work with the world as it is. Teach them to think, and they'll be happy and productive.

[frostbitevinnie]

Truth be told I have and probably will always be against our involvement in Iraq, and most other nations. Sure I am aware of the suffering that goes on there but there are many such places on this globe with similar problems and we are not there. We have our own problems right here, today. 911 comes to mind. Keep our boys and girls on native soil, defend our borders, cease any and all "immigration".

Immigration is especially near and dear to my heart. Why is it that a towel head can come here, we teach them to fly and they proceed to use those skills to destroy and kill but my innocent, intelligent, educated, kind, loving wife has a difficult time getting here. Numerous gubment checks for me and her.

Now we have near 10% of St. Cloud population is Somali. We spend thousands of $$ at the local Univ. to build them a foot bath (s) for religious purpose, (paid out of taxpayer money), they don't have to pay taxes for 5 years, if they earn under $40k we have people that well prepare their taxes for free but christian prayer is out, the 10 commandments are out, pledge of allegiance is out, christian conservatism is considered "offensive", if I need help, forget it!! Blah, blah, blah. I could go on but why. I am a hard working, tax payin moron "giving" my money away to those that will never have any appreciation for it.