What the H*LL is wrong with kids today

[KD57]

Humans are the most violent animals on earth, have always been, and always will be. Only now, guns and knives have replaced sticks and chains. What I think is happening here is violence hasn't changed, but w/ all the media channels available to us, we are more informed about it. You couldn't get the latest national news or watch the war live from your cell phone in 1955. We simply hear more news now, instead of hearing about the crime in your neighborhood only, now you hear about it almost instantly from around the world. But I do agree w/ Scotty on some points, crime although maybe not icreasing, it has definetly become increasingly more violent than in years past.
Street fights don't just leave you w/ a bloody nose anymore, it leaves you dead.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by busa-boy33

Clint.. your way of looking at things doesn't make you any more correct then me. You perceive it your way and I will in mine..

No, but my study of society, human nature and actual crime data does.

No, I'm not paranoid of sexual predators at the mall. The whole threat has been overblown beyond belief.

[palanon]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

How much you wanna bet? This whole "Oh, wah wah, we used to leave our doors unlocked and our keys in the car" is hogwash. You could still do that today in many communities. It's only the perception that's changed in many cases.

I ask again... how much you wanna bet? Furthermore, what evidence would convince you? The chart I linked should be a start.

I agree, I'm always getting grief because I leave my keys either in the ignition or in the cup holder in the trucks. Our doors are unlocked from 5am until midnight on most days. Heck, for almost 10 years we didn't even have a key to the front door so, we just left it open.

The only thing I'm pretty good about is taking the keys out of the bikes. Those are just to easy for kids to try a joy ride.

I can't count how many times I've forgot to lock up the shop when I leave.

Good things don't sell papers or increase viewer ratings. Bad, sick, crazy and sensational things do. Thanks to modern communication, news networks have instant access to every sick thing that happens in the world instantly.

Keep in mind that most all news outlets are now run by the entertainment divisions of their respective companies. Sensationalism and horror sell.

I think you would find that crime world wide is far less now than 50 or 100 years ago. The media today just makes more money convincing you that society and the world is coming to an end.

My door is open, come on in and have a beer.

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by rugerguy45

Enlist them in the army. Let them get beat in soldiers. Something useful.

Do you really, honestly, want to take people who obviously have little regard for human life, and teach them how to kill more effectively?

That thought just worries me...

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

No, I'm not paranoid of sexual predators at the mall. The whole threat has been overblown beyond belief.

BEND OVER!

[Clint]

Originally Posted by palanon

My door is open, come on in and have a beer.

You're just saying that because I'm 2000 miles away. Great post, btw.

Originally Posted by inspiron

Do you really, honestly, want to take people who obviously have little regard for human life, and teach them how to kill more effectively?

That thought just worries me...

Good point, but it's still better than making some poor kid with a conscience do it.

[inspiron]

Personally, I would prefer having an army of soldiers who believe in the cause that they are fighting for, yet are sensitive enough not to wipe out entire villages when they think that there may be an enemy soldier hiding there.

There are soldiers, and there are civilians. Soldiers fight. And die.

Civilians are just trying to stay alive.

[Clint]

Agreed. Who's idea was that, anyway?

[inspiron]

You are too young to remember Viet Nam, kid!

[Clint]

Yeah, like you do, Pops.

[rugerguy45]

Originally Posted by inspiron

Do you really, honestly, want to take people who obviously have little regard for human life, and teach them how to kill more effectively?

That thought just worries me...

I beleive that most kids/young adults at that age would benefit from the structure and discipline that it would bring. Prison can teach you just as much about killing as the military service.

[palanon]

Originally Posted by inspiron

Personally, I would prefer having an army of soldiers who believe in the cause that they are fighting for, yet are sensitive enough not to wipe out entire villages when they think that there may be an enemy soldier hiding there.

There are soldiers, and there are civilians. Soldiers fight. And die.

Civilians are just trying to stay alive.

Originally Posted by inspiron

You are too young to remember Viet Nam, kid!

Those statements are no more than wishes and fallacies.

Through out history, combatants that were loosing a battle or war often would hide within a civilian population in order to save themselves and to strike another day.

Your beloved Swiss went so far as to create fall back bases and caches of weapons and ammunition in the event that the Germans broke through the Swiss defenses. I'm not sure if it's true to this day but, Swiss citizens where required to serve and keep their personal military weapons at home. How would a conquering or invading army look upon the civilian population in that situation?

I lost an Uncle in Vietnam. He volunteered for the Marines, two tours. He honestly believed in freedom and democracy for the Vietnamese. He frequently wrote about his soul wrenching experiences of young women and children coming to his base wired with explosives. After seeing so many of their buddies killed while trying to help, what do you think happened ?

The U.S. military, in modern days, is probably the most professional military that strives to limit collateral damage and civilian death. However, when you put a million people in a combat zone, you're going to have some atrocities and crime. Again, I think you would find that general crimes and crimes against humanity are far less today than in the past.

[palanon]

Oh, and it has been common practice throughout the ages to give criminals the choice between prison or military service.

In recent history, many decorated soldiers of WWI and WWII were men who faced a judge and found themselves in the military.

For most, if they survived, ended up as model citizens and major supporters of their community.

[inspiron]

For the record, the Swiss army has just started changing their policy. Until recently, every active/reserve soldier (just about every male between 20 and 35) had their attack weapon at home, along with a sealed package of ammunition.

After a couple of incidents involving military weapons in the past couple of years, the laws were changed. Now soldiers are being ordered to store their weapons and ammunition in a central bunker.

The idea in the 1920s through the 1980s was to focus on defense. Switzerland was surrounded by fascist states - Nazi Germany to the north, and Mussolini's Italy to the south. After WWII, the cold war was being played out in Germany, so Switzerland retained their defensive stance. Only since the fall of the Iron Curtain and the rise of the European Union has Switzerland begun to "relax".

[Uncle B]

Needed to quote about half or more of these post.

Police officer looses control you people are all over the officer.


Kids {teens} attack disabled woman you people are attacking their parents
and blaming society

{and schools

}.

Real problem I see no one ever taught these kids about responsibility for their actions.

[tricker]

Originally Posted by Uncle B

Real problem I see no one ever taught these kids about responsibility for their actions.

[Trapper]

Then why don't all kids that have a crappy upbringing commit these atrocities?

Why do abused or neglected children often grow up to be normal, contributing members of society?

[tricker]

cause they're emo?

[bikerbabe]

If that was my kid that did that i would beat the crap out of them!!!!!!! I hope that woman is ok!!!

[Trapper]

Originally Posted by bikerbabe

If that was my kid that did that i would beat the crap out of them!!!!!!! I hope that woman is ok!!!

And therein lies the vicious circle.