Should M-J.com attempt to discourage new riders from overpowered bikes? - Motorcycle-Journal Forums

**Clint** · 04-11-2006, 10:48 PM

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blackie1491 · 04-11-2006, 11:22 PM

Waiting till they ask, may be to late.

**inspiron** · 04-12-2006, 01:51 AM

As a communications consultant once stated:

Just because it was seen, does not mean it was read.
Just because it was read, does not mean it was understood.
Just because it was understood, does not mean that it was applied.

How many times have we seen the "Yea, but I'm different" postings?

This doesn't mean we should give up trying, but it does mean that we can never have 100% success. Some people are simply destined to become Darwin Award candidates. You can't protect people from their own stupidity.

**Trapper** · 04-12-2006, 07:01 AM

I think it is part of out identity. I know for a fact that we have swayed the decisions of certain newbies. I can't remeber who, maybe they will speak up.

stp1971 · 04-12-2006, 07:18 AM

I cannot say anything. I am different. I bought the LC as my first street bike.

But actually I had rode for years on dirt and enduros. My brother wants a C90T and I have been telling him that is not a good choice that a 650cc cruiser no larger than a 800cc cruiser is a much wiser choice.

That is why he is going to be starting out on a GS650G for his first bike. Low enough to the ground and stable enough for balance as well.

Bigger is not better when it comes to new riders.

Firedog · 04-12-2006, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stp1971

I cannot say anything.

And yet you did...

Just kidding!

I think that M-J.com provides a very good public service. Most of the people asking the above question are genuinely trying to get a handle on what they should or shouldn't get. Most of the ones that I've seen have been appreciative of the advice offered and they've become strong members of the forum (and are still here!).

It's the ones that think that they know everything that get irked and leave.

...my $.02

stp1971 · 04-12-2006, 07:59 AM

+1!!!!! Good observation. From what i have seen the majority that do come on here asking if they should buy a 'Busa as a first bike are "Usually",, and I say "usually" either a kid trying to just have something to say so they can get interaction. Or they are a troll.

But then again there are the ones that actually do come on here with legitimate questions and hopefully they get the answers they need,, whether it be what they want to hear or not.

I know when I first joined the forum here and I had already bought the "LC" I had several members put their opinion in that the purchase of the bike was not the best move on my part,, some said at least the one good thing about that bike was the lower center of gravity and it's road manners.

I will have to admit it has scared me at times and it is sometimes real intimidating in the twisties at times also. But I have and always will respect the bike and ride it with a level head. Advice is what people should give when asked and hopefully they will make a sound decision.

Then if they do go and buy the bigger bike hopefully they will be encouraged to ride sensible and with a level head as I was encouraged to do.

**intimid8er** · 04-12-2006, 08:05 AM

The Noob:

"Whaddya mean? You guys don't know what you're talking about!"

"My salesman told me I would grow into the M109 and that I'd be saving myself some time and effort by not having to sell the M50 I want after I grow out of it in a year or so. I've read enough Cycle World and Cruising Rider articles to know how to ride safely."

MagnumForce · 04-12-2006, 08:06 AM

I am thankful to be a part of this forum. If it weren't for you guys, I would have bought a liter bike, go really fast, and do wheelies and stoppies and stuff.

**drgibson** · 04-12-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZridr1

I am thankful to be a part of this forum. If it weren't for you guys, I would have bought a liter bike, go really fast, and do wheelies and stoppies and stuff.

First off Yes we need to encourage people to buy a starter bike, take the training course, buy the right gear, and take it easy on the road at all times. However in the right environment; large empty parking lots, abandoned air strip, the track there is nothing wrong with stunting a bike. We get so caught up on the safety aspect that we forget that part of the reason we ride is the risk factor. I could buy a car that would get 40 mpg but it would be a lot less fun. Riding a motorcycle requires more skill and courage then getting in a car. People who push their skills in the right environment are going to be better riders for knowing what not to do on the roads and what they and the bike are capable of.

stevie c · 04-12-2006, 09:27 AM

I voted that they should be informed, but I feel it shouldn't turn into some sort of a sermon. There are good ways and bad ways to get a point across.

MagnumForce · 04-12-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgibson

First off Yes we need to encourage people to buy a starter bike, take the training course, buy the right gear, and take it easy on the road at all times. However in the right environment; large empty parking lots, abandoned air strip, the track there is nothing wrong with stunting a bike. We get so caught up on the safety aspect that we forget that part of the reason we ride is the risk factor. I could buy a car that would get 40 mpg but it would be a lot less fun. Riding a motorcycle requires more skill and courage then getting in a car. People who push their skills in the right environment are going to be better riders for knowing what not to do on the roads and what they and the bike are capable of.

You know I was being sarcastic, right?

Nothing wrong with having fun. I'll do that at the proper place and proper time. I'd like to be around to have fun the next day.

**drgibson** · 04-12-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZridr1

You know I was being sarcastic, right?

Nothing wrong with having fun. I'll do that at the proper place and proper time. I'd like to be around to have fun the next day.

Yup just covering the base though

tlwisner · 04-12-2006, 02:01 PM

I'm starting my new website: www.busas4newbs.com For the small $40 membership fee, I will tell you whatever you want to hear about your foolish bike choice.

Greatest hits such as:
"It's only a 600..."
"Just be smart, the R1 is docile"
"The SV is a girls bike - get the Gixxer 1000 dude!"
"Get a helmet that matches your flip-flops, safety is important."
"Just don't get insurance, it costs too much."

That's why I voted for No Bike is too powerful.

**intimid8er** · 04-12-2006, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlwisner

I'm starting my new website: www.busas4newbs.com For the small $40 membership fee, I will tell you whatever you want to hear about your foolish bike choice.

Greatest hits such as:
"It's only a 600..."
"Just be smart, the R1 is docile"
"The SV is a girls bike - get the Gixxer 1000 dude!"
"Get a helmet that matches your flip-flops, safety is important."
"Just don't get insurance, it costs too much."

That's why I voted for No Bike is too powerful.

Don't forget to add:

"Your girlfriend's face will still be pretty if she's wearing your helmet after she slides 300 ft at 70+ mph wearing shorts and a tank top."

"Her parents will still think you are marrying material after above incident."

"Wheelies cause absolutely no damage to the bike!"

"180 mph on a public highway is absolutely acceptable as long as you don't get caught."

**Clint** · 04-12-2006, 03:17 PM

LOL. Sign me up. I want a Boss Hoss.

**drgibson** · 04-12-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

LOL. Sign me up. I want a Boss Hoss.

They make one with an 850 hp NASCAR engine + nitrous.

**intimid8er** · 04-12-2006, 03:44 PM

Here's my recommendation for Noobs....speaking of the Boss (and not Bruce Springsteen either....)

**intimid8er** · 04-12-2006, 03:45 PM

And......

blackie1491 · 04-12-2006, 03:54 PM

Made in TEXAS?????

View Poll Results: Should we be a source of raw data or insightful guidance?
New riders should be informed whether they ask or not.	83	53.90%
Suggestions should be made only if new riders ask about bike choice.	51	33.12%
New riders should be supported in whatever bike they choose.	10	6.49%
No bike is too powerful. It's all about the rider.	10	6.49%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

04-12-2006, 01:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
inspiron Muscle Biker Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: Blue Suzuki GSX 1400 (2003) Location: Canton Basel-Land, Switzerland (47.4493, 7.76536) Posts: 11,424	As a communications consultant once stated: Just because it was seen, does not mean it was read. Just because it was read, does not mean it was understood. Just because it was understood, does not mean that it was applied. How many times have we seen the "Yea, but I'm different" postings? This doesn't mean we should give up trying, but it does mean that we can never have 100% success. Some people are simply destined to become Darwin Award candidates. You can't protect people from their own stupidity. __________________ blog: gsx1400

04-12-2006, 07:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
Trapper Dogs Best Friend(admin) Joined: Jul 2004 Bike: SOLD Location: Moncton NB Canada Posts: 8,665	I think it is part of out identity. I know for a fact that we have swayed the decisions of certain newbies. I can't remeber who, maybe they will speak up. __________________ PointFlushRetrieve.com - Bird Dog Blog Motorcycle-Journal.com Blog

04-12-2006, 07:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
stp1971 May 2007 Member of the month Joined: Mar 2005 Bike: 2004 Suzuki Intruder 1500LC / 2005 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom Location: Douglasville, Georgia Posts: 7,742	I cannot say anything. I am different. I bought the LC as my first street bike. But actually I had rode for years on dirt and enduros. My brother wants a C90T and I have been telling him that is not a good choice that a 650cc cruiser no larger than a 800cc cruiser is a much wiser choice. That is why he is going to be starting out on a GS650G for his first bike. Low enough to the ground and stable enough for balance as well. Bigger is not better when it comes to new riders. __________________ Biketoberfest 2006 flashback courtesy of Intimid8er: "Like you knew damn well you shouldn't eat something like that, but all be damned to hell, you were gonna eat it!" __________________

04-12-2006, 07:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
stp1971 May 2007 Member of the month Joined: Mar 2005 Bike: 2004 Suzuki Intruder 1500LC / 2005 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom Location: Douglasville, Georgia Posts: 7,742	+1!!!!! Good observation. From what i have seen the majority that do come on here asking if they should buy a 'Busa as a first bike are "Usually",, and I say "usually" either a kid trying to just have something to say so they can get interaction. Or they are a troll. But then again there are the ones that actually do come on here with legitimate questions and hopefully they get the answers they need,, whether it be what they want to hear or not. I know when I first joined the forum here and I had already bought the "LC" I had several members put their opinion in that the purchase of the bike was not the best move on my part,, some said at least the one good thing about that bike was the lower center of gravity and it's road manners. I will have to admit it has scared me at times and it is sometimes real intimidating in the twisties at times also. But I have and always will respect the bike and ride it with a level head. Advice is what people should give when asked and hopefully they will make a sound decision. Then if they do go and buy the bigger bike hopefully they will be encouraged to ride sensible and with a level head as I was encouraged to do. __________________ Biketoberfest 2006 flashback courtesy of Intimid8er: "Like you knew damn well you shouldn't eat something like that, but all be damned to hell, you were gonna eat it!" __________________

04-11-2006, 11:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,099	Waiting till they ask, may be to late.

04-12-2006, 08:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
intimid8er It's A Conspiracy Joined: May 2005 Bike: '06 XB12X Location: 27 44'17.07" N 82 45'20.16" W Sharkbait Posts: 9,115	The Noob: "Whaddya mean? You guys don't know what you're talking about!" "My salesman told me I would grow into the M109 and that I'd be saving myself some time and effort by not having to sell the M50 I want after I grow out of it in a year or so. I've read enough Cycle World and Cruising Rider articles to know how to ride safely." __________________ Song Pick of the Week 07/02 Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown Ever wonder if the Hokey-Pokey is what it's all about? I'm not foul mouthed. I just like to use the eff word. A LOT!

04-12-2006, 08:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
MagnumForce Throttle Jockey Joined: May 2005 Bike: 05 M50, 06 CBR600F4i Location: Sitting on the can... duh! Posts: 3,159	I am thankful to be a part of this forum. If it weren't for you guys, I would have bought a liter bike, go really fast, and do wheelies and stoppies and stuff. __________________ "I love the smell of toner in the morning… it's the smell of victory!" MAJ M, Staff Officer

04-12-2006, 09:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
stevie c Sit speling cheker Joined: Mar 2004 Bike: GSX-R 600 K1 Location: Northants,UK Posts: 1,631	I voted that they should be informed, but I feel it shouldn't turn into some sort of a sermon. There are good ways and bad ways to get a point across. __________________ Stevie C '02 Gixer 600 K1,Yellow and Black (fastest colour!), always beats red ones!! Why put off until tomorrow what you can get someone else to do for you today.

04-12-2006, 02:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
tlwisner Throttle Jockey Joined: Apr 2004 Bike: '05 Boulevard C50 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 3,208	I'm starting my new website: www.busas4newbs.com For the small $40 membership fee, I will tell you whatever you want to hear about your foolish bike choice. Greatest hits such as: "It's only a 600..." "Just be smart, the R1 is docile" "The SV is a girls bike - get the Gixxer 1000 dude!" "Get a helmet that matches your flip-flops, safety is important." "Just don't get insurance, it costs too much." That's why I voted for No Bike is too powerful. __________________ Tim Wisner AMA, SCRC Happiness is something we create Last edited by tlwisner; 04-12-2006 at 02:04 PM.

04-12-2006, 03:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
intimid8er It's A Conspiracy Joined: May 2005 Bike: '06 XB12X Location: 27 44'17.07" N 82 45'20.16" W Sharkbait Posts: 9,115	Here's my recommendation for Noobs....speaking of the Boss (and not Bruce Springsteen either....) __________________ Song Pick of the Week 07/02 Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown Ever wonder if the Hokey-Pokey is what it's all about? I'm not foul mouthed. I just like to use the eff word. A LOT!

04-12-2006, 03:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
intimid8er It's A Conspiracy Joined: May 2005 Bike: '06 XB12X Location: 27 44'17.07" N 82 45'20.16" W Sharkbait Posts: 9,115	And...... __________________ Song Pick of the Week 07/02 Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown Ever wonder if the Hokey-Pokey is what it's all about? I'm not foul mouthed. I just like to use the eff word. A LOT!

04-12-2006, 03:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
blackie1491 I took the All Bran Challenge Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: C50SE Location: Aldergrove, B.C., Canada Posts: 7,099	Made in TEXAS?????

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