TS-185 Not running? - Motorcycle-Journal Forums

InaneCathode · 06-13-2005, 04:53 PM

Well, as my first post, i figure i should ask a super heavy question

Well, with my xt250 came a ts185 for a paltry 100 bucks, as it turns out, it might have been in a lake, because basically the carburator was a single chunk of varnish, thats all cleared up, and after a month, everything is ready to rock.
Except it wont start.
I have thrashed and thrashed for hours, no choke low throttle, high throttle full choke, everything. Theres spark, and enough compression to pop my thumb out of the chamber. Gas is new tank is full.
The only two things worth mentioning: Theres green oily crap on the plug when i take it out (same color as whats in the oil tank) ((BTW its a two stroke oil injected)) and theres no gas smell in the chamber when the plug is out.
Spark seems strong, and theres compression.
Any ideas guys? I wouldnt be out too much if this were a boat anchor.. but id rather see it on the trails instead of on the bottom of a lake again.
Thanks!

Dave2122 · 06-13-2005, 05:20 PM

Well seems cut and dried....

The oil is definetly the injector oil which is being pumped into the cylinder with every revolution of the motor. As far as your carb, if what you described is accurate you may not be able to salvage it. There are tiny passages that once clogged take a special very corrosive agent to clean out. You can strip the carb entirely and try and use carb cleaner and compressed air to clear out the passages. When I say strip the carb I am referring to every single piece.

InaneCathode · 06-13-2005, 06:55 PM

Well, to the carb i just strapped on the gloves and went at it with acetone, i got all the passages cleaned out, and everything operates smoothly.
This oil thing is the problem thought.
I can actually see oil dripping out the exhaust, and coating the plug. When i clean out the plug, and dump a teaspoon of gas in the chamber it runs well for a few seconds. Actually, after all this gas is out, it wants to run on its own, it idles for about 30 seconds hesitatingly, but as soon as it doesnt start again, the plug is again coated in oil.
I cleaned out the tank, and emptied it, to get the old oil out.
Maybe the injector body is clogged?
Is there a way to defeat the injecting system and just mix the oil and gas on my own?
everything is tight and clean except for this silly oil problem, its so bad huge clouds of smoke come out when it kicks over

InaneCathode · 06-13-2005, 06:57 PM

PS
When i did get that carb apart, the parts covered half my desk lol

Dave2122 · 06-13-2005, 07:38 PM

Try and see if the oil injection pump has an adjustment screw on it. Somone may have fiddled with it previous to you owning the bike.

Gixxerdale · 06-13-2005, 07:57 PM

I believe the oil injection is adjusted on the right case as part of a second cable operated by the throttle. At least my 71 TC 120 is set up that way. Pull your pipe too. It probably has a quart or more of oil in it by now. When they sit the oil continues to seep through the system.

**87gsxrnut** · 06-13-2005, 08:41 PM

Acetone will NOT clean carbs very well. Use carb cleaner. Get some spray can and some bulk. Soak the parts using the bulk cleaner once disassembled. Make sure you remove the float bowl gasket(s) before soaking. And like Dave said, compressed air is your best friend.

- Nut

InaneCathode · 06-14-2005, 12:17 AM

Well, the carb is all cleaned out, all the jets i checked with my laser pointer

But um, i took the oil switch out, its interesting. Theres a barrel in it that goes up and down, and turns, apparently directing oil down two hoses, one into the crankcase, and one into the cylinder wall. I carb cleaned out the whole thing, now its all shiney, all that i see there is the throttle linked plate, i had that hooked up before, i'll hook it up and see whats up tomorrow.
Perhaps the old oil got watery and gritty (?)
What makes oil turn green? What happens when it gets old?
Should i switch to a heavier weight oil?
PS There were no adjustment screws i could find, only one on the side that comes out so you can see this spring pin thing.

Dave2122 · 06-14-2005, 10:11 PM

Ok some 2 stoke injector oil is a greenish color. You need to use only 2 stroke injector oil . It has to be injector oil as Premix only oil will not flow correctly. If your pump is linked toi the throttle you need to look and see if the cable has a threaded section on it to lengthen it. Or as you say it may have been gummed up from sitting a long time.

InaneCathode · 06-14-2005, 11:58 PM

Welp, looks like my problems are solved, i threw some new oil in the tank, and put the injector body back on, i have it running now... (sortof)
It wants to die, all the time, unless im messin with the throttle, and sometimes it will just crap out completely. Thats better than nothin i guess, i think it might need rings, because it smokes so horribly, just horrendous clouds of white smoke

Gixxerdale · 06-15-2005, 07:33 AM

Not rings It's the injector needing to be adjusted. That and it's cold and loaded up with oil. Take it for a ride and keep adjusting the injector until it's just a hint of smoke.

InaneCathode · 06-16-2005, 12:15 AM

Well, i feel like a regular idiot.
When i was trying to get the oil out, i would put the sparkplug in lightly, you know, finger tight, then i would try to get it to start, it would, then crap out.
I figured something was seriously wrong, turns out, it was my memory. Every time i wanted it to drive, the sparkplug vibrated out enough to kill the compression.
DUH!
Now that its tight and with the new oil, it runs gloriously, its about twice as fast as i thought it was, only with a small bit of blue smoke when its at the top of the rmp range with full throttle.
Im doing stupid stuff now, you know, grips, shift rubbers, fenders and so on.
Thanks for being helpful people,

Hope to not post in this section anymore

Dave2122 · 06-16-2005, 02:12 PM

Happy Riding! Enjoy a great motorcycle!

Yes the TS-185 is a great motorcycle.....GREAT FUN!

06-13-2005, 04:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	TS-185 Not running? Well, as my first post, i figure i should ask a super heavy question Well, with my xt250 came a ts185 for a paltry 100 bucks, as it turns out, it might have been in a lake, because basically the carburator was a single chunk of varnish, thats all cleared up, and after a month, everything is ready to rock. Except it wont start. I have thrashed and thrashed for hours, no choke low throttle, high throttle full choke, everything. Theres spark, and enough compression to pop my thumb out of the chamber. Gas is new tank is full. The only two things worth mentioning: Theres green oily crap on the plug when i take it out (same color as whats in the oil tank) ((BTW its a two stroke oil injected)) and theres no gas smell in the chamber when the plug is out. Spark seems strong, and theres compression. Any ideas guys? I wouldnt be out too much if this were a boat anchor.. but id rather see it on the trails instead of on the bottom of a lake again. Thanks!

06-13-2005, 07:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Gixxerdale Forensic Bug Splatter Analyst. Joined: Mar 2004 Bike: 02 GSXR 1k Location: The warm and twisty roads of SoCal Posts: 3,028	I believe the oil injection is adjusted on the right case as part of a second cable operated by the throttle. At least my 71 TC 120 is set up that way. Pull your pipe too. It probably has a quart or more of oil in it by now. When they sit the oil continues to seep through the system. __________________ Proud Father of a U S Army Soldier... The key to life is to die young...at a very old age... Ride like you own the road...and...someday the road will own you.. My Favorite Ride? Tomorrows!

06-13-2005, 08:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
87gsxrnut Ho Dog Joined: Dec 2003 Bike: 867-5309 Location: Terror Lake Posts: 4,182	Acetone will NOT clean carbs very well. Use carb cleaner. Get some spray can and some bulk. Soak the parts using the bulk cleaner once disassembled. Make sure you remove the float bowl gasket(s) before soaking. And like Dave said, compressed air is your best friend. - Nut __________________ Person or person's unknown.

06-15-2005, 07:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Gixxerdale Forensic Bug Splatter Analyst. Joined: Mar 2004 Bike: 02 GSXR 1k Location: The warm and twisty roads of SoCal Posts: 3,028	Not rings It's the injector needing to be adjusted. That and it's cold and loaded up with oil. Take it for a ride and keep adjusting the injector until it's just a hint of smoke. __________________ Proud Father of a U S Army Soldier... The key to life is to die young...at a very old age... Ride like you own the road...and...someday the road will own you.. My Favorite Ride? Tomorrows!

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06-13-2005, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dave2122 Sprocket Pilot Joined: Sep 2004 Bike: Which one of the 9? Location: USA Posts: 887	Well seems cut and dried.... The oil is definetly the injector oil which is being pumped into the cylinder with every revolution of the motor. As far as your carb, if what you described is accurate you may not be able to salvage it. There are tiny passages that once clogged take a special very corrosive agent to clean out. You can strip the carb entirely and try and use carb cleaner and compressed air to clear out the passages. When I say strip the carb I am referring to every single piece.

06-13-2005, 06:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	Well, to the carb i just strapped on the gloves and went at it with acetone, i got all the passages cleaned out, and everything operates smoothly. This oil thing is the problem thought. I can actually see oil dripping out the exhaust, and coating the plug. When i clean out the plug, and dump a teaspoon of gas in the chamber it runs well for a few seconds. Actually, after all this gas is out, it wants to run on its own, it idles for about 30 seconds hesitatingly, but as soon as it doesnt start again, the plug is again coated in oil. I cleaned out the tank, and emptied it, to get the old oil out. Maybe the injector body is clogged? Is there a way to defeat the injecting system and just mix the oil and gas on my own? everything is tight and clean except for this silly oil problem, its so bad huge clouds of smoke come out when it kicks over

06-13-2005, 06:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	PS When i did get that carb apart, the parts covered half my desk lol

06-13-2005, 07:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dave2122 Sprocket Pilot Joined: Sep 2004 Bike: Which one of the 9? Location: USA Posts: 887	Try and see if the oil injection pump has an adjustment screw on it. Somone may have fiddled with it previous to you owning the bike.

06-14-2005, 12:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	Well, the carb is all cleaned out, all the jets i checked with my laser pointer But um, i took the oil switch out, its interesting. Theres a barrel in it that goes up and down, and turns, apparently directing oil down two hoses, one into the crankcase, and one into the cylinder wall. I carb cleaned out the whole thing, now its all shiney, all that i see there is the throttle linked plate, i had that hooked up before, i'll hook it up and see whats up tomorrow. Perhaps the old oil got watery and gritty (?) What makes oil turn green? What happens when it gets old? Should i switch to a heavier weight oil? PS There were no adjustment screws i could find, only one on the side that comes out so you can see this spring pin thing.

06-14-2005, 10:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dave2122 Sprocket Pilot Joined: Sep 2004 Bike: Which one of the 9? Location: USA Posts: 887	Ok some 2 stoke injector oil is a greenish color. You need to use only 2 stroke injector oil . It has to be injector oil as Premix only oil will not flow correctly. If your pump is linked toi the throttle you need to look and see if the cable has a threaded section on it to lengthen it. Or as you say it may have been gummed up from sitting a long time.

06-14-2005, 11:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	Welp, looks like my problems are solved, i threw some new oil in the tank, and put the injector body back on, i have it running now... (sortof) It wants to die, all the time, unless im messin with the throttle, and sometimes it will just crap out completely. Thats better than nothin i guess, i think it might need rings, because it smokes so horribly, just horrendous clouds of white smoke

06-16-2005, 12:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
InaneCathode Seat Tester Joined: Jun 2005 Bike: '81 XT250,Yamaha '72 LT2100, '79 Suzuki TS-185 Location: Colorado Posts: 78	Well, i feel like a regular idiot. When i was trying to get the oil out, i would put the sparkplug in lightly, you know, finger tight, then i would try to get it to start, it would, then crap out. I figured something was seriously wrong, turns out, it was my memory. Every time i wanted it to drive, the sparkplug vibrated out enough to kill the compression. DUH! Now that its tight and with the new oil, it runs gloriously, its about twice as fast as i thought it was, only with a small bit of blue smoke when its at the top of the rmp range with full throttle. Im doing stupid stuff now, you know, grips, shift rubbers, fenders and so on. Thanks for being helpful people, Hope to not post in this section anymore

06-16-2005, 02:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dave2122 Sprocket Pilot Joined: Sep 2004 Bike: Which one of the 9? Location: USA Posts: 887	Happy Riding! Enjoy a great motorcycle! Yes the TS-185 is a great motorcycle.....GREAT FUN!

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