ATTENTION ALL M50 OWNERS! My issue resolved! FIX YOURS NOW B4 IT'S TO LATE! - Page 5 - Motorcycle-Journal Forums

Manuel · 08-25-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnchassis

I put the entire bike back together today,and then tore off the rear tire,and final drive again.
Then I tore into the final drive,you can see what the rusted broken problem is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW3WS7ibGbM

CS

Question 1:
This video here, is this what's directly behind the oil seal you had to cut off?

Question 2: (or is this question 2 & 3??)
That nut with the tab you cut off, will we all have to replace that as well? Or is bending the tab out fine so that we can bend it back in upon assembly?

burnchassis · 08-25-2009, 12:02 PM

Removing that nut is only needed if replacing a bad gear or needing to go further into the drive.
If your just looking to grease/inspect,just buy that oil seal,and maybe those o-rings,just to be safe.
Your supposed to be able to bend that tab out of the way,and maybe reuse it ,but i didn't mess with it.

On another note ...I'm expecting the UPS truck any second with my drive parts!!!!
I'm dyin over here!

I'll take video in full of the reassembly.
CS

draf · 08-25-2009, 12:32 PM

Excellent! This video will be very helpful!
Thanks Burn!

Manuel · 08-25-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnchassis

Removing that nut is only needed if replacing a bad gear or needing to go further into the drive.
If your just looking to grease/inspect,just buy that oil seal,and maybe those o-rings,just to be safe.
Your supposed to be able to bend that tab out of the way,and maybe reuse it ,but i didn't mess with it.

On another note ...I'm expecting the UPS truck any second with my drive parts!!!!
I'm dyin over here!

I'll take video in full of the reassembly.
CS

Sounds awesome! I can't imagine I'll need to replace the drive gear. I can't wait to see this video. You'll be on two wheels again soon!

burnchassis · 08-25-2009, 04:05 PM

I AM BACK ON THE ROAD!!
Videos to come later...You all know what time it is!

Check out this pic of new stuff vs old stuff...can you tell which is which??
CS

burnchassis · 08-25-2009, 05:07 PM

Please don't laugh at my red-neck-ish ways to do things

.
I'll tell you all right now I have no torque wrench.I suggest anyone who does this to this extent use 1.
Any questions,hit me up.
Workin on video now

CS

draf · 08-25-2009, 06:58 PM

The new stuff is the shinny one, isn't it?

Glad you received the parts, Burn! Can't wait to see your video!

Quantumcat · 08-25-2009, 08:23 PM

Great news that you're back on the road (with a lot more knowledge of the bike too). I need to wait until I get home from work to watch the vids (youtube is blocked here at work - for good reason

).

rogerl · 08-25-2009, 08:31 PM

Burn:
Were your "O" ring and nut correct? If you got things all back together they must have been or you used the old parts.

Roger L

vtbme · 08-25-2009, 10:48 PM

Wow - pretty incredible! Wish we were closer...I'd gladly pay you the $78/hr to check mine.

So, I've had my '08 for about one month; has about 3800 miles on it. Bought it used from a private seller and haven't taken it to the dealer yet for the once over. Was thinking about doing that soon and maybe having them do the 4k service. After that I need to try changing my own oil, but I don't have garage, jack, stand, etc.

Main questions:
Should I go ahead and have them check this?
If so, what exactly do I need to tell the dealer and request of them?
Should I go to Suzuki dealer so they can document? I've been pretty happy with dealership I used for my Virago 250...but they're Kawi/Yamaha dealer. They do work on most major models though.

burnchassis · 08-25-2009, 10:55 PM

Yes all my parts were correct.
What should you tell the dealer?
It is documented at Suzuki now ,so they should be able to call ,and see what my shop said about it ,or tell them....The rear end of the drive shaft where it meets the primary final drive gear,behind the 1st oil seal is what needs to be checked.
or
Got a printer? print out the pic above that shows the new/old parts.They will for sure be able to run with it from there.
I'm having more trouble uploading videos then rebuilding the final drive...lol now my camera went dead,so the videos will have to be tomorrow.
CS

vtbme · 08-25-2009, 11:19 PM

Oh - and if there's a recall...do they fund owners via the VIN number? Just wondering since I'm the third owner and only the first owner purchased from the dealer.

burnchassis · 08-25-2009, 11:28 PM

When Suzuki does a recall they go through the DMV to match the VIN,and send snail mail to whoever has it registered at that time.
CS

747M50 · 08-26-2009, 11:16 AM

Hello All, Burnchasis, you ARE the man. Great work!! I do have BAD news for 2006 M50 owners. My bike is proof that 2006 bikes have this problem too. It may only be the early run of 2006 that have this problem, but my bike is number 00747 for 2006. (This happened last September at 13.5 K miles as I have almost 19K on the bike now.) The bike is always stored when not ridden, but I do get caught in the rain often. Anyway, the extended warranty covered it.
The moral of the story is to take this warning seriously as I ended up being stranded about 20 miles from the house at 11:30 PM on a Friday night, with my lady. Not fun!
Thanks for everyone's input. Peace!

Manuel · 08-26-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 747M50

Hello All, Burnchasis, you ARE the man. Great work!! I do have BAD news for 2006 M50 owners. My bike is proof that 2006 bikes have this problem too. It may only be the early run of 2006 that have this problem, but my bike is number 00747 for 2006. (This happened last September at 13.5 K miles as I have almost 19K on the bike now.) The bike is always stored when not ridden, but I do get caught in the rain often. Anyway, the extended warranty covered it.
The moral of the story is to take this warning seriously as I ended up being stranded about 20 miles from the house at 11:30 PM on a Friday night, with my lady. Not fun!
Thanks for everyone's input. Peace!

13.5K miles!?? Holy cow! This is more serious than I thought. I figured this was a high mileage defect, but I guess not. Maybe it's a "getting caught in the rain too much" defect?

burnchassis · 08-26-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel

13.5K miles!?? Holy cow! This is more serious than I thought. I figured this was a high mileage defect, but I guess not. Maybe it's a "getting caught in the rain too much" defect?

I think it is a legit defect..they thought putting a seal on the shaft would seal water out,when it fact it actually sealed water in.
Anyone good with videos? I need a video converter from .mov to .mpeg. I sure could use some help lol.
I made 15 short videos that need to be spliced together. I have tried about 15 times.
CS

draf · 08-26-2009, 08:12 PM

Hey Burn, have you tried this?
Pazera-Free-MOV-to-AVI-Converter
I am a Linux user and I didn't use it, but it should do the job from what I can read...

Manuel · 08-27-2009, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnchassis

I think it is a legit defect..they thought putting a seal on the shaft would seal water out,when it fact it actually sealed water in.
Anyone good with videos? I need a video converter from .mov to .mpeg. I sure could use some help lol.
I made 15 short videos that need to be spliced together. I have tried about 15 times.
CS

Since you've been inside this beast Burn, do you see any more permanent solutions we can do to seal water out? We can grease that thing all we want, but it won't help if it keeps getting filled with water that can't escape. Everytime I wash my bike I could be putting water in the diff! We really have to get this resolved by suzuki!

burnchassis · 08-27-2009, 08:44 AM

I used water proof marine wheel bearing grease.Water does nothing to this stuff,you can't wash it off your hands.
CS

burnchassis · 08-27-2009, 11:33 AM

ok I give up.
The videos play on my end no problem,but after they get uploaded the sound is out of sync bigtime.
I have tried a few different programs,with no luck.
i have 60 megs of video of the reassembly,but I cant upload it

CS

08-25-2009, 12:02 PM	#82 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	Removing that nut is only needed if replacing a bad gear or needing to go further into the drive. If your just looking to grease/inspect,just buy that oil seal,and maybe those o-rings,just to be safe. Your supposed to be able to bend that tab out of the way,and maybe reuse it ,but i didn't mess with it. On another note ...I'm expecting the UPS truck any second with my drive parts!!!! I'm dyin over here! I'll take video in full of the reassembly. CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES!

08-25-2009, 04:05 PM	#85 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	I AM BACK ON THE ROAD!! Videos to come later...You all know what time it is! Check out this pic of new stuff vs old stuff...can you tell which is which?? CS Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES! Last edited by burnchassis; 08-25-2009 at 04:33 PM.

08-25-2009, 05:07 PM	#86 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	Please don't laugh at my red-neck-ish ways to do things. I'll tell you all right now I have no torque wrench.I suggest anyone who does this to this extent use 1. Any questions,hit me up. Workin on video now CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES! Last edited by burnchassis; 08-25-2009 at 05:09 PM.

08-25-2009, 08:23 PM	#88 (permalink)
Quantumcat Clunked into first gear Join Date: Jun 2009 Bike: 2007 M50 Black Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 235	Great news that you're back on the road (with a lot more knowledge of the bike too). I need to wait until I get home from work to watch the vids (youtube is blocked here at work - for good reason ). __________________ Experience is the comb that Life gives you after you've lost your hair. 2007 M50 Black - Debaffled w/6" Fibrosleeves ~ 1" Riser Spacers ~ ISO Grips w/Throttle Bosses & Baron Bullet Endcaps ~ ISO Pegs & Shifter ~ Willie & Max Raptor Saddlebags ~ Debadged ~ Iridium Plugs ~ Factory Wire Rack, Tank Bib & Case Guards ~ Black Vinyl Wrapped Forks (pipes, hypercharger, FI controller and tach to come - hopefully)

08-25-2009, 10:48 PM	#90 (permalink)
vtbme Found second gear by accident Join Date: Jan 2009 Bike: '08 M50 Limited: Black/Silver Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 328	So what exactly do I tell the dealer Wow - pretty incredible! Wish we were closer...I'd gladly pay you the $78/hr to check mine. So, I've had my '08 for about one month; has about 3800 miles on it. Bought it used from a private seller and haven't taken it to the dealer yet for the once over. Was thinking about doing that soon and maybe having them do the 4k service. After that I need to try changing my own oil, but I don't have garage, jack, stand, etc. Main questions: Should I go ahead and have them check this? If so, what exactly do I need to tell the dealer and request of them? Should I go to Suzuki dealer so they can document? I've been pretty happy with dealership I used for my Virago 250...but they're Kawi/Yamaha dealer. They do work on most major models though. __________________ 2008 M50 Limited: Jeff/Ken's Spacer Risers, Flanders Super Glide handlebars #650-08231, Shaved down stock seat, Mustang fender bib (on/off), OEM Luggage Rack minus sissy bar; Blacked out: Linbar, PIAA mulit fit lights on fender, speedo, headlight rim. 1999 Virago 250, 2007-09 (first of my own, sold): Symtec grip heaters. First riding experience: Honda mini bike (50cc?) on my cousin's farm...I was maybe 8 or 10 years old.

08-25-2009, 12:32 PM	#83 (permalink)
draf In Training Join Date: Jul 2007 Bike: Suzuki Boulevard M50 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 101	Excellent! This video will be very helpful! Thanks Burn!

08-25-2009, 06:58 PM	#87 (permalink)
draf In Training Join Date: Jul 2007 Bike: Suzuki Boulevard M50 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 101	The new stuff is the shinny one, isn't it? Glad you received the parts, Burn! Can't wait to see your video!

08-25-2009, 08:31 PM	#89 (permalink)
rogerl Clunked into first gear Join Date: Oct 2007 Bike: 2006 Silver M50 Location: Northfield, Ohio Posts: 206	Burn: Were your "O" ring and nut correct? If you got things all back together they must have been or you used the old parts. Roger L

08-25-2009, 10:55 PM	#91 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	Yes all my parts were correct. What should you tell the dealer? It is documented at Suzuki now ,so they should be able to call ,and see what my shop said about it ,or tell them....The rear end of the drive shaft where it meets the primary final drive gear,behind the 1st oil seal is what needs to be checked. or Got a printer? print out the pic above that shows the new/old parts.They will for sure be able to run with it from there. I'm having more trouble uploading videos then rebuilding the final drive...lol now my camera went dead,so the videos will have to be tomorrow. CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES!

08-25-2009, 11:19 PM	#92 (permalink)
vtbme Found second gear by accident Join Date: Jan 2009 Bike: '08 M50 Limited: Black/Silver Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 328	Oh - and if there's a recall...do they fund owners via the VIN number? Just wondering since I'm the third owner and only the first owner purchased from the dealer. __________________ 2008 M50 Limited: Jeff/Ken's Spacer Risers, Flanders Super Glide handlebars #650-08231, Shaved down stock seat, Mustang fender bib (on/off), OEM Luggage Rack minus sissy bar; Blacked out: Linbar, PIAA mulit fit lights on fender, speedo, headlight rim. 1999 Virago 250, 2007-09 (first of my own, sold): Symtec grip heaters. First riding experience: Honda mini bike (50cc?) on my cousin's farm...I was maybe 8 or 10 years old.

08-25-2009, 11:28 PM	#93 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	When Suzuki does a recall they go through the DMV to match the VIN,and send snail mail to whoever has it registered at that time. CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES!

08-26-2009, 11:16 AM	#94 (permalink)
747M50 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Bike: 2006 Blue M50 - Da Blue Bomber! Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 14	Hello All, Burnchasis, you ARE the man. Great work!! I do have BAD news for 2006 M50 owners. My bike is proof that 2006 bikes have this problem too. It may only be the early run of 2006 that have this problem, but my bike is number 00747 for 2006. (This happened last September at 13.5 K miles as I have almost 19K on the bike now.) The bike is always stored when not ridden, but I do get caught in the rain often. Anyway, the extended warranty covered it. The moral of the story is to take this warning seriously as I ended up being stranded about 20 miles from the house at 11:30 PM on a Friday night, with my lady. Not fun! Thanks for everyone's input. Peace!

08-26-2009, 08:12 PM	#97 (permalink)
draf In Training Join Date: Jul 2007 Bike: Suzuki Boulevard M50 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 101	Hey Burn, have you tried this? Pazera-Free-MOV-to-AVI-Converter I am a Linux user and I didn't use it, but it should do the job from what I can read...

08-27-2009, 08:44 AM	#99 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	I used water proof marine wheel bearing grease.Water does nothing to this stuff,you can't wash it off your hands. CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES!

08-27-2009, 11:33 AM	#100 (permalink)
burnchassis U.B's LoveChild Join Date: Jun 2008 Bike: 2005 M50 PCIII K&N Thunder intake kit,custom pipes wrapped,DE-paired,side plate LED METZ 200 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,217	ok I give up. The videos play on my end no problem,but after they get uploaded the sound is out of sync bigtime. I have tried a few different programs,with no luck. i have 60 megs of video of the reassembly,but I cant upload it CS __________________ Rippin twisties! BIG GRIND! M50 Wheelie Grinding pegs Final drive repair HOW-TO Final drive+shaft rebuild HOW-TO Getting to the front u-joint HOW-TO Remove your drive ,and CHECK IT! HOW-TO Lumpectomy HOW TO Clutch adjust HOW TO Clutch install HOW TO Metzeler 200 tire mount/ install HOW TO Lower your front end FREE! HOW TO Lower your rear end! HOW TO Still looking for the new throttle on/off switch. QUIET PIPES RISK LIVES!

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