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Dogpound · 04-06-2006, 08:21 PM

This may sound dumb...but what is the difference between a hypercharger and a thunder airkit?

**Louis** · 04-06-2006, 09:09 PM

That's a very good question....

Not much help am I?

MYC50T · 04-06-2006, 09:55 PM

Hypercharger

Airkits

lexxter · 04-06-2006, 10:16 PM

Hypercharger looks faster.

jkulysses · 04-07-2006, 12:41 AM

I personally think the tornado air kit looks faster.

outlaw · 04-07-2006, 05:22 AM

i prefer the tornado as well jk, but there's just somthin' about those butterflies that says raw power. anywho, just my $.02.

Jonger · 04-07-2006, 12:39 PM

If I put the Tornado on will I have to alter the computer or what? Is it hard to put on yourself?

**Clint** · 04-07-2006, 12:48 PM

Nothing. They're all just air filter housings and they're all just for looks. Buy the one that looks best to you.

**intimid8er** · 04-07-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogpound

This may sound dumb...but what is the difference between a hypercharger and a thunder airkit?

The air kits actually flow at a higher cfm than the hypercharger.

**intimid8er** · 04-07-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonger

If I put the Tornado on will I have to alter the computer or what?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Jonger

Is it hard to put on yourself?

No.

jpwM50 · 04-07-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RowdyRed94

Nothing. They're all just air filter housings and they're all just for looks. Buy the one that looks best to you.

Buzzzz...wrong answer

MagnumForce · 04-07-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jpwM50

Buzzzz...wrong answer

Really? I actually thought Rowdy was on the mark with that one.

**Clint** · 04-07-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jpwM50

Buzzzz...wrong answer

You'll have to back that up, y'know. Sure, there will be minor variations in flow rate, but you'll see about zero effect from the forward-facing butterflies.

Dogpound · 04-07-2006, 03:14 PM

Wow, lots of replies...but unfortunately, I'm no smarter today then yesterday (Tomorrow isn't looking good either)

But basically, it seems like there can't be much difference between them. I was leaning towards an airkit, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something special with the hypercharger.

**intimid8er** · 04-07-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogpound

Wow, lots of replies...but unfortunately, I'm no smarter today then yesterday (Tomorrow isn't looking good either)

But basically, it seems like there can't be much difference between them. I was leaning towards an airkit, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something special with the hypercharger.

No you're not. With calculated cfm's/cyl @

2k RPM = 28 CFM
5k RPM = 71 CFM
8K RPM = 114 CFM

Each one is more than adequate, but is a 2%-7% (whatever their claims) gain on 40 hp worth $300?

In effect, this validates to a degree Rowdy's earlier statement, that they are merely ornaments, but doesn't necessarily prove it true either. Yes, they do have a performance benefit. Is it enough to make a huge difference? My answer is no.

stp1971 · 04-07-2006, 03:59 PM

2% of 40hp equals ---- .8 hp,,hmmm,,for $300.00,,,, No thanks. Not to mention the fact that the hypercharger sticks out and from most of the people I know who have them says it gets in the way of your knee while riding. All but a couple gripe about it,,but yet,,they won't take it off?????

By far the best bang for your buck is getting a K&N air filter. It does flow better,,but the real advantage is being able to re-use it versus buying new fliters over the long term.

MagnumForce · 04-07-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stp1971

2% of 40hp equals ---- .8 hp,,hmmm,,for $300.00,,,, No thanks. Not to mention the fact that the hypercharger sticks out and from most of the people I know who have them says it gets in the way of your knee while riding. All but a couple gripe about it,,but yet,,they won't take it off?????

By far the best bang for your buck is getting a K&N air filter. It does flow better,,but the real advantage is being able to re-use it versus buying new fliters over the long term.

The problem is that there are no K&N filters that will fit in the stock canister of the M50. That forces the M50 owners to look at hyperchargers and thunder air kits. Even a 7% horsepower gain (claimed) does not justify me spending $300 just to add an extra piece of chrome on my M50. IMO, it's like spending $300 on a new set of pipes just to change the exhaust tone.

Dogpound · 04-07-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by intimid8er

Each one is more than adequate, but is a 2%-7% (whatever their claims) gain on 40 hp worth $300?

Hmm...no, that's not enough for me...from what I have read on here and other forums, people who have them claim a big performance boost, is this more wishful thinking then? Is there a gain on torque? I guess I need to do some more research. My buddy has a hypercharger on his Shadow 650 and swears it makes a huge difference...but his bike has less HP then ours.

**intimid8er** · 04-07-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EZridr1

The problem is that there are no K&N filters that will fit in the stock canister of the M50. That forces the M50 owners to look at hyperchargers and thunder air kits. Even a 7% horsepower gain (claimed) does not justify me spending $300 just to add an extra piece of chrome on my M50. IMO, it's like spending $300 on a new set of pipes just to change the exhaust tone.

Let's not forget the $280 trip to the dyno for the PC owners to go along with it!!!

Me...I'm just waitin' for the K&N to eventually come along. Then I'll take the Black and Decker to the stock air box. $10-$20 filter and a few minutes of my time and I've accomplished the same thing.

By putting pipes, and a fuel controller, that is about the best the bike is (notice I said about) going to be. That being due to futzing with the fuel map. Your biggest change is right there. As Sean pointed out. .8 ?? Nah...not for me. Any real gains are going to come from porting the intake manifold, bigger fuel nozzles, porting and polishing the heads, cams etc. Now you just spent a huge pile of dough on a 6K bike.

If you're a slave to vanity go ahead, drink the Kool-Aid, and buy the product. It can't hurt anything.......it's just WAYYYYYYY over-priced.

The Teach · 04-07-2006, 04:34 PM

I love my setup and did notice an improvement; however, I changed my intake, exhaust, and added the pc3 at the same time. Obivously I should have noticed the change, but what really made the most improvement? <shrug> All three!

I feel faster therfore I am? hehe

I'm at a high altitude here so I've noticed that the bike isn't starvin' for air anymore, and with the re-map I notice how smooth my power band is now. I get more air when the engine needs it, so yeah it's a bit faster.

Waaaay overpriced you say? Yes, but I like my bike to look better then I do. (wasn't that difficult really.

)

04-06-2006, 08:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
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04-06-2006, 09:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
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lexxter Kickstand Operator Joined: Oct 2005 Bike: 05 M50 BLK Location: NW FL Posts: 252	Hypercharger looks faster. __________________

04-07-2006, 05:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
outlaw Fifth gear streak Joined: Feb 2006 Bike: Red '05 M50 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 1,375	i prefer the tornado as well jk, but there's just somthin' about those butterflies that says raw power. anywho, just my $.02. __________________

04-07-2006, 12:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
jkulysses Sprocket Pilot Joined: Sep 2005 Bike: 2006 Blue M50 Location: Oregon Posts: 832	I personally think the tornado air kit looks faster.

04-07-2006, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jonger In Training Joined: Mar 2006 Bike: 2006 M50 Black Location: Novi, mi Posts: 115	If I put the Tornado on will I have to alter the computer or what? Is it hard to put on yourself?

04-07-2006, 03:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dogpound Seat Tester Joined: Feb 2006 Bike: 2005 Suzuki Boulevard M50 Black Location: Allentown, PA. Posts: 73	Wow, lots of replies...but unfortunately, I'm no smarter today then yesterday (Tomorrow isn't looking good either) But basically, it seems like there can't be much difference between them. I was leaning towards an airkit, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something special with the hypercharger.

04-07-2006, 03:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
stp1971 May 2007 Member of the month Joined: Mar 2005 Bike: 2004 Suzuki Intruder 1500LC / 2005 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom Location: Douglasville, Georgia Posts: 7,833	2% of 40hp equals ---- .8 hp,,hmmm,,for $300.00,,,, No thanks. Not to mention the fact that the hypercharger sticks out and from most of the people I know who have them says it gets in the way of your knee while riding. All but a couple gripe about it,,but yet,,they won't take it off????? By far the best bang for your buck is getting a K&N air filter. It does flow better,,but the real advantage is being able to re-use it versus buying new fliters over the long term. __________________ Biketoberfest 2006 flashback courtesy of Intimid8er: "Like you knew damn well you shouldn't eat something like that, but all be damned to hell, you were gonna eat it!" __________________

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The Teach U.B's LoveChild Joined: Aug 2005 Bike: Marble Blue and Black M50ZD; Copper '03 SV650S Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,270	I love my setup and did notice an improvement; however, I changed my intake, exhaust, and added the pc3 at the same time. Obivously I should have noticed the change, but what really made the most improvement? <shrug> All three! I feel faster therfore I am? hehe I'm at a high altitude here so I've noticed that the bike isn't starvin' for air anymore, and with the re-map I notice how smooth my power band is now. I get more air when the engine needs it, so yeah it's a bit faster. Waaaay overpriced you say? Yes, but I like my bike to look better then I do. (wasn't that difficult really. ) __________________ My Babies... uhh... err... bikes "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." ~ Henny Youngman "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." ~ Benjamin Franklin

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