M109R for kind of first bike

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by Broc

For what it's worth... here is my 2 cents.



IMO, it's better to grow into a bike than out of one. However, unless you are willing to take the bumps should something happen, start a bit smaller. When I first got the bike, had an incident, not all my fault, there was a recall on the bike and the bike stalled in a turn. To avoid traffic I headed off the road, hit some soft dirt and laid it down. If I had been a little more experienced with the bike, I might have avoided that.

Not to give you a hard time, but how does one grow out of a bike?
I know you gan grow out of a car, or a house if your family gets to big, but I have always figured that if a bike can safely do the speed limt you can't out grow it. Please explain what "growing out of a bike" means.

[Broc]

Originally Posted by Rickster

Not to give you a hard time, but how does one grow out of a bike?
I know you gan grow out of a car, or a house if your family gets to big, but I have always figured that if a bike can safely do the speed limt you can't out grow it. Please explain what "growing out of a bike" means.

No worries... my skin's not thin

What I mean by that is that you get so use to a bike that you want more. Say for example you get a Virago 250 as your 1st bike. That is a small bike and something very easy to learn on and handle. Where it will be a great bike to learn on, you will want more real quick once you get use to it and become a better rider.

There will come a point you will want more.... more speed, more power, whatever.

With me... where my warrior is quite large, has a lot of power, after a year and a half, I want more. More speed, more acceleration, and so on.

To break the everyday routine, I found out that these bikes can wheelie, I am trying to learn to do that on this thing for something different. Waiting to get this thing paid off so I can get a busa.... I need more speed!!!! LOL

Does that help explain my statement a bit better?

[MikeHump]

Originally Posted by Broc

No worries... my skin's not thin

What I mean by that is that you get so use to a bike that you want more. Say for example you get a Virago 250 as your 1st bike. That is a small bike and something very easy to learn on and handle. Where it will be a great bike to learn on, you will want more real quick once you get use to it and become a better rider.

There will come a point you will want more.... more speed, more power, whatever.

With me... where my warrior is quite large, has a lot of power, after a year and a half, I want more. More speed, more acceleration, and so on.

To break the everyday routine, I found out that these bikes can wheelie, I am trying to learn to do that on this thing for something different. Waiting to get this thing paid off so I can get a busa.... I need more speed!!!! LOL

Does that help explain my statement a bit better?

I'm with Rick on this one...
When I think of outgrow, I think of a child outgrowing their clothes, necessitating a new set of clothes. Now, if you apply this logic to motorcycles:
When does anyone really outgrow a bike...to the point where they NEED a larger, faster, etc...? Unless it's a 250cc or less, I don't think any of us really NEED a bigger, quicker, faster bike, it's a matter of WANTING a new bike. Even then, some of the 250cc bikes out there aren't anything to joke about, they're still capable of delivering quite the performance for such a small machine.

So, when you say you need more speed...do you really NEED more speed, or do you just want more speed? Have you really outgrown your bike, or have you just merely got bored of it? I'm sure your current bike could get you into some situations where it would challenge your skills to the fullest.

The reason I own a 600cc sportbike isn't because I "outgrew" a smaller bike, it's because I wanted a 600cc sportbike (not to mention because I made a dumb choice on a 1st bike and didn't know what I was getting into at the time despite warnings from various members of this forum). If I ever upgrade to another bike, I highly doubt it will be due to me outgrowing the performance of my bike, because that will NEVER happen. My bike will always be capable of doing a lot more than I'll be able to handle, even 5 years down the road.

[Broc]

Originally Posted by MikeHump

I'm with Rick on this one...
When I think of outgrow, I think of a child outgrowing their clothes, necessitating a new set of clothes. Now, if you apply this logic to motorcycles:
When does anyone really outgrow a bike...to the point where they NEED a larger, faster, etc...? Unless it's a 250cc or less, I don't think any of us really NEED a bigger, quicker, faster bike, it's a matter of WANTING a new bike. Even then, some of the 250cc bikes out there aren't anything to joke about, they're still capable of delivering quite the performance for such a small machine.

So, when you say you need more speed...do you really NEED more speed, or do you just want more speed? Have you really outgrown your bike, or have you just merely got bored of it? I'm sure your current bike could get you into some situations where it would challenge your skills to the fullest.

The reason I own a 600cc sportbike isn't because I "outgrew" a smaller bike, it's because I wanted a 600cc sportbike (not to mention because I made a dumb choice on a 1st bike and didn't know what I was getting into at the time despite warnings from various members of this forum). If I ever upgrade to another bike, I highly doubt it will be due to me outgrowing the performance of my bike, because that will NEVER happen. My bike will always be capable of doing a lot more than I'll be able to handle, even 5 years down the road.

Technically, the only things we "NEED" are Shelter, clothing, food and water.

My bike will always be capable of doing a lot more than I'll be able to handle, even 5 years down the road.

let me quote this part in particular. As you said, more that YOU would be able to handle. For some, a 600 cc sport bike will be too slow, too small and they want more, so they bump up to a 1000cc, or 1300cc.

for example, my friend around the corner has the r6 from Yamaha, he is kicking himself for not getting the r1 as he says he has done all he can do with it. It's no longer fun for him to ride.

I guess it all depends on the person/rider.

[intimid8er]

I hear y'all...

I'm just bored absolutely sh1tless with 104 hp and 70% of 90+ lbs. ft. of torque available at 2200 rpm. My ride's a friggin' dog.

[blackie1491]

Originally Posted by intimid8er

I hear y'all...

I'm just bored absolutely sh1tless with 104 hp and 70% of 90+ lbs. ft. of torque available at 2200 rpm. My ride's a friggin' dog.

I am going to leave this for Jim to jump on!!!!

[diamond_jim]

Originally Posted by intimid8er

I hear y'all...

I'm just bored absolutely sh1tless with 104 hp and 70% of 90+ lbs. ft. of torque available at 2200 rpm. My ride's a friggin' dog.

Oh hell no! You can't just throw them numbers out there, making us jealous and be all disrespectin' like that. Maybe I'll come teach you how to ride, grandma!

You know, there are poor kids in Africa that have to ride bikes with only a dozen horsepower. Think about that while you're sitting there bored sh1tless!

[MikeHump]

Originally Posted by Broc

Technically, the only things we "NEED" are Shelter, clothing, food and water.





I guess it all depends on the person/rider.

Very true. to both of those statements.
I guess that if getting bored of a bike is the same as outgrowing a bike, then yeah it's possible. Since I'm still a noob to riding, and I picked one helluva bike to learn on, it's hard for me personally to understand outgrowing a bike.

[frostbitevinnie]

Geeeezzz, two sections dealing with trade up issues. Like I said in the other thread why don't you boys just get it over with and buy the Boss Hoss. I am sure you can install a turbo charger and add a couple bottles of NOS. Or buy the busa and put twin turbos each with a supply of NOS. Why puss^ foot around and just go for it all???

[Broc]

Originally Posted by MikeHump

Very true. to both of those statements.
I guess that if getting bored of a bike is the same as outgrowing a bike, then yeah it's possible. Since I'm still a noob to riding, and I picked one helluva bike to learn on, it's hard for me personally to understand outgrowing a bike.

Yeah, where I do feel that you can outgrow a bike, I also feel that you should not get something too big to handle. For some people, all they will ever to be able to handle is what they have and there is nothing wrong with that. However, the more experienced you become the more of a challenge you want.

Maybe that will help those other that are missing what I was trying to get across.

Just take it easy till you get very comfortable with your machine and your ability and you will be just fine. And ALWAYS wear the proper gear!! It's not like your starting out on a Hayabusa or a VMax

Ride Safe

[frostbitevinnie]

I'm shopping for another bike, hopefully I will find one in the next two years. It's gonna be in the 600 or less range. Tinkering with the idea of a ninja 250. Yep, I have outgrown my C90T and want something I can throw around again. I won't need Adams help to pick that one up.

[intimid8er]

Originally Posted by diamond_jim

You know, there are poor kids in Africa that have to ride bikes with only a dozen horsepower. Think about that while you're sitting there bored sh1tless!

PREEEEEE-cisely sir!

I mean....shoot...just last night I saw this poor Dickinsian street urchin and his girlfriend dressed to the nines in their goth gear and sportin' their Icon Skull helmets at a store. As my wife, and I walked out, I saw him and her gearing up and getting ready to ride two up on a Ninja 250. My heart went out to these poor kids....I now know how Sally Struther's must have felt on her first trip through a famine stricken country. The sight of them having to get on such an underpowered ride almost moved me to tears. I patted my pockets down, and had my wife look in her purse for an extra cylinder or two that we could donate to these poor waifs, but alas, it was not to be. They'd have to make do with the primitive means they had, and it seemed, that they'd be happier doing without since an underpowered mount was all they'd ever known to this point in time......





Seriously, my wife and I got the biggest kick out of this pair.....it was motorcycling in its purest form. Kinda like watching a sandlot baseball game...no worries, no pressures, just the love of the game. These two just absolutely loved being on that bike. Their enjoyment of it just radiated off of them. It made my night.

[Rickster]

I understand the "I want a new bike", and the "I want more power" thing, but not the folk's that try and justify buying a faster bike by saying they out grew their 600cc sport bike.

BROC, not trying to offend, but if your friend truly did out grow his R6, he is in the top 5% of riders in the world & should be getting paid to ride his bike, have you checked the chicken strips on his tires?

I see this all the time at different "Bike nights" around town, some guy telling me how he outgrew his 600cc sport bike, and is now starting to get bored with his 3 month old liter bike. 9 times out of 10 he will have less than 1,000 miles on it, and his rear tire is flat in the middle from doing burn-outs, well the outside 1 1/2 inch of tire still has the molding nubs on it. I got a chance to ride with two of these guys last weekend, and the only way they could stay with me in the twisties was to use there 150 hp to catch me in the straights, I was on a 40 hp DR650 & I wasn't really pushing the limits.

I guess it's just one of my pet peeves, some "big talker" running his bike up close to it's top speed one or two times on a straight road, than claiming he "outgrew" it, and buying something bigger.

Keeping up, or worse, catching up in the straights is not IMHO the same as outgrowing a bike.

[tricker]

I could outride you all day long rick...... if i were on my cycle and you were on your mountain bike

[Broc]

Originally Posted by Rickster

I understand the "I want a new bike", and the "I want more power" thing, but not the folk's that try and justify buying a faster bike by saying they out grew their 600cc sport bike.

BROC, not trying to offend, but if your friend truly did out grow his R6, he is in the top 5% of riders in the world & should be getting paid to ride his bike, have you checked the chicken strips on his tires?

I see this all the time at different "Bike nights" around town, some guy telling me how he outgrew his 600cc sport bike, and is now starting to get bored with his 3 month old liter bike. 9 times out of 10 he will have less than 1,000 miles on it, and his rear tire is flat in the middle from doing burn-outs, well the outside 1 1/2 inch of tire still has the molding nubs on it. I got a chance to ride with two of these guys last weekend, and the only way they could stay with me in the twisties was to use there 150 hp to catch me in the straights, I was on a 40 hp DR650 & I wasn't really pushing the limits.

I guess it's just one of my pet peeves, some "big talker" running his bike up close to it's top speed one or two times on a straight road, than claiming he "outgrew" it, and buying something bigger.

Keeping up, or worse, catching up in the straights is not IMHO the same as outgrowing a bike.

In response to this....
No offense taken... everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. As for his chicken strip... practically none. The guy can ride.


Response to the others.....
One last comment on the outgrowing thing. If people didn't outgrow their bikes, then manufacturers would not continue to build bigger, faster engines and bikes.

Anyone ever watch the history channel? Ever see the concept bike from Chrysler? The one with the viper engine in it? Why? Because no matter how fast or big you make something, "SOMEONE" will want more.

Men (some women too, don't wanna sound sexist ) will always want to push the envelope, the limits and their abilities.

If you have a little 250 and your comfortable with it and don't feel you need anything more, it's probably good that you don't try to go bigger, it may be too much for you to handle. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't try to justify your inability by saying that's all the power anyone would ever need. If that was the case, then we wouldn't have anything other than 250's on the road.

[diamond_jim]

I outgrew the paint/style of my bike.

[TheQueb]

Originally Posted by SVZuki

Sorry bro, but No deal. You may not like hearing it, but you are too small to deal with the 109, much less the expereince, IMO.

I just bought the M109R after I rode an SV650s for 3 years (26k miles) and a marauder 800 (8k miles). I just got it a week ago. Your legs would be hitting the pipes whenever you stopped at a light, I doubt you would be able to move the bike once you got either tire in a bit of a divvet. For reference I am 6 foot, 190 lbs and I can falt foot with very little room to spare. I have a hard time backing her up at time already. I don't think that you would be comfortable on that big of a bike.

If I were you I would look at a VTX 1300. It is a compromise between the starship enterprise (109) and an 800 cc bike. The handlebars are swept back to be very comfortable for someone without ape-like long arms. the bike sits pretty low as well. Give 'er a look.

I disagree with the "too small to deal with the 109" part of your comment. I'm 5'7" and had no trouble getting on my 109 straight from the sale with no test ride. (the dealership's policy) I hadn't owned a bike in 26 years and had only ridden a few in that time. It all came back fast. The only problem I had was the 1st time I eased out on the clutch and went to put my feet on the pegs... LOL. they weren't where I remembered them being since this is a stretch out type of ride. Anyway, a couple of thousand miles later, I LOVE the bike and don't regret buying it at all.

[diamond_jim]

Originally Posted by TheQueb

I disagree with the "too small to deal with the 109" part of your comment. I'm 5'7" and had no trouble getting on my 109 straight from the sale with no test ride. (the dealership's policy) I hadn't owned a bike in 26 years and had only ridden a few in that time. It all came back fast. The only problem I had was the 1st time I eased out on the clutch and went to put my feet on the pegs... LOL. they weren't where I remembered them being since this is a stretch out type of ride. Anyway, a couple of thousand miles later, I LOVE the bike and don't regret buying it at all.

There's more to riding a bike than simply not crashing. I'm glad you made it home and didn't crash. My parachute opened the first time I skydived. I guess we both did good on the first time.

[intimid8er]

I once got my wife "a little pregnant".

[diamond_jim]

Originally Posted by intimid8er

I once got my wife "a little pregnant".

You too?