Power Commander vs. cobra Fi200R vs. Techlusion Tfi control

[UBC_Doc]

Hi everbody,

I am new to these forums and need some advice. I recently bought a '05 C50 Boulevard which has V&H shortshots on it. The Bike is running lean as expected and I want to put on a FI controller. The three modules I have heard most about are the Power Commander III, Cobra's Fi200R and the Techlusion TFi controller. Both the Fi2000R and the Techlusion Tfi are comparatively priced while the PC III is about $100 more expensive.

What is the best choice for my application or is their much of a difference between these FI controllers. I also will change my air filter from stock to K&N during this upgrade.

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated

[drgibson]

The Techlusion has more adjustability. I'm quite pleased with mine.

[Colorado Cajun]

All will make your bike richer and run better. How dialed in do you want to get it? The PC3 can be set more percisly, that is why I chose it. I haven't get it on the Dyno yet, but I plan to next year. The picture below is the stock map of a PC3. Do you really think that a unit with 4 pots has the capabilities that this does with that many changeable setting? Contact Frank at this site and see if he does internet sales. SR-Tuning He has good prices on PC3's.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally Posted by UBC_Doc

Hi everbody,

I am new to these forums and need some advice. I recently bought a '05 C50 Boulevard which has V&H shortshots on it. The Bike is running lean as expected and I want to put on a FI controller. The three modules I have heard most about are the Power Commander III, Cobra's Fi200R and the Techlusion TFi controller. Both the Fi2000R and the Techlusion Tfi are comparatively priced while the PC III is about $100 more expensive.

What is the best choice for my application or is their much of a difference between these FI controllers. I also will change my air filter from stock to K&N during this upgrade.

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated

Welcome by the way.

Short Shots! Can you post a picture? I email V&H about the short shots and they said they didn't and were not going to make then for the C50.

Frank, the owner of that site tunes bikes for a living. He recommends changing the "air intake" when you change pipes. He said that the K&N really don't do much at all for you over the stock filter because the neck of the intake limits the air coming into the engine. He mentioned that a aftermarket intake, pipes, and dyno tuned PC3 makes a BIG difference on our bikes.

[UBC_Doc]

Originally Posted by Colorado Cajun

Welcome by the way.

Short Shots! Can you post a picture? I email V&H about the short shots and they said they didn't and were not going to make then for the C50.

Frank, the owner of that site tunes bikes for a living. He recommends changing the "air intake" when you change pipes. He said that the K&N really don't do much at all for you over the stock filter because the neck of the intake limits the air coming into the engine. He mentioned that a aftermarket intake, pipes, and dyno tuned PC3 makes a BIG difference on our bikes.

Hey Cajun,

Sorry, I meant to type straight shots not short shots. I was leaning towards the PCIII but I am hoping to do some other mods and was thinking of saving a couple of bucks. Probably will just suck up the extra cost of the PCIII for the extra tuning capability.

I will consider changing out my air intake (maybe a thunder mfg kit)

I see you have a Memphis Fats 19". I was looking at getting a 17". Do you look over your windshield or through it? I am 5'9" and I want to look over the windshield when I ride.

[blackie1491]

UBC

There is another alternative, which is to get your bike flashed.
Around $75, or have a custom map done with the assist of a dyno tuner.

A Canadian Flag and UBC leaves me to believe you are from this area.

I am running Techclusion and a K&N with stock pipes. Happy with it.

[UBC_Doc]

Thanks Blackie,

Does your techlusion plug directly into the FI sockets (like Harley module) or did you have to splice wires?

Canuck to the core! Temporarily living in Florida....Just outside Daytona Beach (can't beat the riding here). Will definitely be at biketoberfest later this week!!!!!

Will be heading home tor Kelowna next summer.

Thanks for the info.

[blackie1491]

The harness did not work.
This was last year, I do not know if there has been an update on the harness.

There was a article on Dynojet Power Commander VS. Cobra Fi2000 VS. Techlusion TFI - Total-Fuel

[blackie1491]

I had my instal done by the shop on my first service.
It took away the slight lean condition and gave me a little better throttle response. It is easy to adjust as I had it mounted under the right side cover, no removing seat to adjust, just leave side cover off till adjustments done.

Having said that I have never had to adjust as the mechanic worked by phone with manufacter and test rode for long test ride.

My settings are left to right. 3-1-2-4

If you use the search function on this site you will come up with several threads. I think the M50 forum was real active around the time I had it done.
July 2005.

Enjoy your riding season, has been raining last couple days.
Cold riding around the Fraser River and Vedder Mountain.

[Colorado Cajun]

Originally Posted by UBC_Doc

I see you have a Memphis Fats 19". I was looking at getting a 17". Do you look over your windshield or through it? I am 5'9" and I want to look over the windshield when I ride.

I'm 5'6" tall and I wish I would have got the 21". I look over it. Their mounting system keeps the shield at the same angle as the forks and there is only about 1 inch of up or down adjustment. A good height is the bridge of your nose. I feel like I'm looking over it a little too much, especially when I get caught in the rain or the wind is blowing stuff around.

Have you seen the short shots? Man I wish they made them for our bikes.

[Shea]

The Techlusion is good for certain applications. Remember that it will only add fuel, not be abe to take any away. Once you run the bike for a bit, then have it tuned, you may find that adding a pipe doesn't make the entire AFR curve lean, it can actually go rich in some spots, which is where it will not be able to help.

I am not sure of the others that you posted, but they may be similar. You need to find someone with actual tuning software if you want to fine tune it and subtract fuel in some areas. Heck, I added an exhaust to my bike and had a dyno done on it and turns out, it gets pig rich in the low end, looks great in the midrange, then starts getting rich at high RPMs again, which is actually quite normal for vehicles, as you don't want any chance of detonation from lack of fuel at those high RPMs

[AZRyder]

Originally Posted by drgibson

The Techlusion has more adjustability. I'm quite pleased with mine.

I was considering one of these as well as the power commander. Coming from Carbs, I'm not super familiar with FI Bikes. Would this be something you would have to tune on the go ie: ride it at this setting, then adjust etc.? Or are there pre set settings.

Sorry for my ignorance.

[drgibson]

There tech support wil give you settings for what ever application you want. I have two specifically foer my bike whit the pipe & air kit I have. One is for best fuel economy and the other is for max performance.

[old&slow]

If you plan to wring out every last hp and you would need to pay for dyno time to do that, get the PCIII, otherwise the TFI is the ticket!

[Jim Sauro]

I'm a new member and want to say Hi to everyone. Hope someone can help me with my problem. I had Cobra pipes installed last year. Got a lot of popping on decel. It was recommended that I have a FI2000r installed. I had that done. Since then my MPG went down drastically and pipes were very black with carbon. Next we installed a different filter and have been lowering the setting on the controller. We are way off the setting that were set by the factory. Any suggestions on how to properly set this controller. We've called Cobra and they weren't much help.

Jim

[Sgt Mike]

Fill out your profile Jim and let us know what kind of bike you're riding.

Originally Posted by Jim Sauro

I'm a new member and want to say Hi to everyone. Hope someone can help me with my problem. I had Cobra pipes installed last year. Got a lot of popping on decel. It was recommended that I have a FI2000r installed. I had that done. Since then my MPG went down drastically and pipes were very black with carbon. Next we installed a different filter and have been lowering the setting on the controller. We are way off the setting that were set by the factory. Any suggestions on how to properly set this controller. We've called Cobra and they weren't much help.

Jim

[frostbitevinnie]

I posted this in the Boulevard section and apparently it went unread so here it is again.

Just got these advanced tuning instructions off another forum yesterday. Here ya go. Hope this helps, I am going to follow this procedure this weekend.

You will have to tune it for your bike. Someone elses settings are likely not right for your bike. The suggested settings from the manufacturer give you a good STARTING POINT to get you in the ballpark. I know, Cobra does not have a 'tuning guide' in their instructions, so you're kind of on your own, but other manufacturers publish these and they are available on the web. I typed up some tuning guidelines a while back, They are somplace in the "C-90 Folder", I'll look later if I get time.
As an example:
Turtle Joe and I have nearly identical bikes with all the same components. The FI controllers we use are made by Dobeck... same as a FI 2000/Techlusion... My settings are (think of a clock face) 9:00, 4:15, 6:45.
Joe's settings are 7:00, 2:45, 6:15. If you ride the bikes they run the same. If I set Joe's controller like mine the bike would run terrible and get poor gas mileage too. When I tune FI-2000/techlusion/Lloydz/Dobeck 2nd generation controllers I start from scratch. I pay no attention to the 'numbers' of where the pots are set. I tune the bike 'til it runs right and the settings are where they are. One might be 4, 5, 4 and one might be 5, 5, 5 and where the pots are pointing isn't what to tune by, is it?



You have to ride it to tune it. You can't tune the motorcycle without a load on it. Don't worry about the lights/colors/settings. TUNE IT.
left pot is idle/cruise/light throttle accelleration (less than 1/4 throttle). middle pot in midrange accelleration. Right pot is wide open throttle above like 3800 RPM. Engine must be fully wamed up for 8 minutes first. Turn all pots all the way down (couterclockwise). Try to hold a steady 30-35 MPH in 3rd gear. The bike will buck and surge like a %%%%%. Increase the left pot (clockwise) in 1/2 hour increments on a clock face until it gets better.
Now do 15 minute changes until it will cruise steady at light throttle and on/off the throttle isn't abrupt. Now, increase the setting 15 minutes more and STOP. Set the third/right-hand pot equal to the 1st/left-hand pot for now. Hold a steady 35 MPH in 3rd gear for a couple of seconds then nail the throttle open and count 3 seconds. Repeat this a few times while increasing the middle pot in 15 minute increments until acceleration gets better... then it will get worse... when it gets worse, back up 15 minutes and stop there.
Get a Sharpie marker. Mark the speedometer at 40 MPH, 70 MPH and 90 MPH.
Find a deserted road where you are safe and won't get a ticket. Run the bike at wide open thru the first 3 gears, shifting at the marks on the speedo to
avoid the rev limiter. Adjust the 3rd/right-hand pot open 1 hour and try that.... go back where it was, then closed 1 hour and try that... one will be better... that's the way you want to go. Put it back where it was originally and adjust for best acceleration and quickest pull to the shift points. TIP: If the throttle is wide open and the bike is pulling... slowly let off the throttle... if the bike accelerates better off-wide-open it's most likely too rich.
This will get you really close. Fine tune in barely decernable turns to find the sweet spot on the idle/cruise pot for best drivability. Make ONE tiny change at a time... ride it a while... don't pass judgement right away.
You may also need a little tweak one way or the other on the middle pot... for best roll-on pull. After you ride it a while, you'll get a better feel for finding the sweet spot on that one too. Again, make ONE tiny change at a time... ride it a while... don't pass judgement right away. The bike will tell you what it needs... you just have to apply your knowledge of what pot
effects what, while listening to what the bike is saying.

[Jim Sauro]

frostbitevinnie

Thanks for the advice. Got more testing to do. I'm sorry I forgot to tell everyone what I ride. It's a C90T Suzuki Blvd 2007. Is it normal to loose a lot of MPG after installing the Cobra Pipes? I'll get back to everyone after finishing with the instructions.

Jim