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Old 05-21-2007, 06:07 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Right. Assuming you wake up at all. Too many poisonous creatures in Australia! Then again, not many people, and people can be the most "poisonous" of all. So maybe you've got a point!

Enjoy your trip. Sounds great!
Ended up doing 4000 km in 4 days, and it rained the whole time,
By dark, and in the rain, I ended up in a motel each night, with single malt and a monte cristo to keep me warm.

Didn't see any poisonous animals, but hit 2 roos, they are big here, about 250lb and 6foot tall.
They tend to damage the bike a bit. Had to make some hasty repairs after the second one, and a tangle with a barbed wire fence.

Biggest day was just over 1260km, slowest day was 860km. Seat mods worked a treat, speed limits ignored, a solo ride is the best for sanity!
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:17 PM   #42 (permalink)
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In a nation where it is illegal to own guns only the criminals and the government will have them.

Most gun related crimes here are committed by someone who has obtained the gun illegally. Thereby circumventing the gun control laws. Which politicans then use the oppurtunity to inact more control laws...
The base point is that if the number of guns decrease, so does their availability. If you are the only one without one, you will carry one just in case. And their use increases if they are handy.

If no one else has one, makes it a lot easier to get by without one, and harder to locate one, find one, or buy one behind the liquor store.

reduce the number of guns by 90%, gun use must reduce!

the VT tragedy got a lot of coverage here too. Imagine if every student, teacher etc had returned fire. How many casualties would there have been then? 10 times as many, or half? Untrained gunfire is scary!

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This is NOT a rant to tell USA that they have it wrong. That would be impudent of me, and ill informed.
Just letting you know what is happening on the other side of the pond
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:38 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Seriously, if every student at VT had a gun there would have been no massacre. Would there have still been some collateral injuries/deaths? Sure. But I very much doubt that it would have been worse. But it's nothing but unverifiable conjecture at this point.

But as to your base point my arguement still stands. Wanton gun use is not a problem amongst responsible gun owners. Taking away their guns only takes away their ability to defend themselves against the criminals who still have theirs. The problem with a ban on guns is it doesn't take into consideration that crimnals really don't care about laws (except when it suits them).

Personally I think using a SKS to hunt with is overkill but I don't hunt to begin with so, whatever.

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Old 05-22-2007, 06:09 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Happy to agree to disagree. Remember - you have the guns!
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And you have the cool cars.
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This was way too civil for a gun control discussion.
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This was way too civil for a gun control discussion.
Kinda hard to go outside and slug it out tho!
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I'd like to go to Australia, but not to get punched in the face. Especially since I have to leave my gat at the border.

No I don't own a gun.

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