What's wrong with Harleys?

[JmalB]

Way to miss my point. Either way my M50 doesn't like being started below 50F.

[inspiron]

Originally Posted by JmalB

The Buell motor is a tuned Harley motor. Tuned motors sometimes have behavior issues.

Not all of them! The Buell 1125R is now using a Rotax engine, designed in Austria.

[JmalB]

Very true. But that's not a tired old Sportster motor hopped up to with an inch of its life. Yes, I'm exagerating.

[omegajim]

Very true. But that's not a tired old Sportster motor hopped up to with an inch of its life. Yes, I'm exagerating.

But by how much?

I like when one of my co-workers said "You know, BMW helped design the new Harley engine."

So much for all american.

[inspiron]

Porsche helped design the engine. BMW provided gearbox help, I believe.

[omegajim]

I'm happy to remember it was the right country.

Was under the impression that BMW had a cottage industry of contracting out their engineering expertise.

Although it could've been Porsche.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by JmalB

Very true. But that's not a tired old Sportster motor hopped up to with an inch of its life. Yes, I'm exagerating.

Well it is true that when Buell first started making bikes, they just used Sportster motors, but they evolved to the point that for about the last 10 years, there are very few parts on a Buell motor that will fit on a Sportster motor.

The mechanic I talked to said there are so many changes that it would be impossible to take a Sportster motor, and turn it into a Buell motor, the internals are all completely different.

[POE-BOY SAMICH]

Originally Posted by Rickster

Well it is true that when Buell first started making bikes, they just used Sportster motors, but they evolved to the point that for about the last 10 years, there are very few parts on a Buell motor that will fit on a Sportster motor.

The mechanic I talked to said there are so many changes that it would be impossible to take a Sportster motor, and turn it into a Buell motor, the internals are all completely different.

That's interesting info.

I know this is off-topic, but speaking of Buell, their new model looks pretty good...

http://www.roadcarvin.com/sites/www....8_1125R_AF.jpg

Nice!

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by POE-BOY SAMICH

That's interesting info.

I know this is off-topic, but speaking of Buell, their new model looks pretty good...

http://www.roadcarvin.com/sites/www....8_1125R_AF.jpg

Nice!

Yep, the motor company is showing signs of thinking outside the box.

The new 1125 has been released for sale, I was in my local dealership last week, and they had one on the floor with a "sold" tag on it, the salesman said the first dozen or so are already spoken for. They were scheduled for release last Sept, but there were a few bugs still needing fixing, not unusual with a brand new design.

inspron, you are half right, Porsche did help in the design of the V Rod, but it was Ski-Doo (Rotex) that Buell went to for help with the new 1125. It's the first liquid cooled motor for Buell.

[omegajim]

Buell is catching up with where the metrics were 20 some years ago.

gasp.

[CruisingRam]

Catching up with the world? Um, Rotax makes KTM motors- those are no joke.

I mean, this motor jumped right in the mix with 146hp. NO freakin' joke there. Ducati was beating the whole world on less hp than that, and with more wieght and not as good as components.

Buell may very well have a world beater on thier hands.

[omegajim]

Buell may very well have a world beater on thier hands.

Living in the metro Milwaukee area, you can't believe how many times that's been posted in the paper.

Eventually, it may happen.

Currently, it's in it's own class because of the configuration of the engine.

Not that it's a bad thing; hearing the "burrrrrrrrrrrr" down the racetrack is much more pleasing than the squeaky "zzzzzzinnnnnnnnnnng" from the metrics.

[4dtvman]

Originally Posted by omegajim

Not that it's a bad thing; hearing the "burrrrrrrrrrrr" down the racetrack is much more pleasing than the squeaky "zzzzzzinnnnnnnnnnng" from the metrics.

So you call forumal one "ZZZZZZZZZZinnnnnnnnnnnng" because the sound is petty much the same.

[Jerryzuki]

I'm glad this turned into a "what's wrong with Buells" thread. hahahahahaha

[4dtvman]

Were not done yet.



This is just a break from the first 23 pages.

[POE-BOY SAMICH]

Originally Posted by 4dtvman

Were not done yet.



This is just a break from the first 23 pages.

What's the record for length of thread around here?
If ANY subject is gonna set the MJ record for longest thread, I would not surprised if it would be one entitled "what's wrong with Harleys".

[omegajim]

So you call forumal one "ZZZZZZZZZZinnnnnnnnnnnng" because the sound is petty much the same.

Sure, I'll call it that; they should be restricted to 3 cylinders, so they make more of a "burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Which is about the only thing I like about nascar; it makes the right noise.

But other than that, watching the guys go in circles, that bores me to no end.

[palanon]

Buell still has a hill to climb. Compared to the Ducati, the 1125 is still down on power.

Plus, the choice of an 1125cc engine eliminates it from most race classes. Buell still states that it's meant for the rider, not the racer. Plus, the advertised HP of 146 is crank, not rear wheel. That's pretty low, even for the Middle Weight Super Stock class.

On the plus side:

Buell just posted their contingency payout. It's Way more generous than any of the other manufacturers and they are paying out for motorcycles twice as old as any of the other manufacturers.

Once it gets rolling, I'll bet factory and aftermarket support will be very good.

Buell's handle very well and, by all reports, this one is no disappointment.

If Buell can keep initial price down and have a good supply of " go fast" and " racer parts ", we may have a winner.

For most club racers, Ducati's are just to expensive. The Buell has a lot of peoples attention. It looks like Buell may be starting a grass roots American motorcycle movement. Who knows, give it a few years and we may see a world competitive Buell out there.

I wouldn't expect to see them out there in MotoGP, WSB or AMA Super Bike classes but, with org's like CCA or WERA, you may see some competitive racers on the 1125 in '08.

That would be %%%%%in' dude.....totally rad.....

[JmalB]

What about the torque and subsquent curve? That's what's important.

[KD57]

My friend Mike Hale is racing for Buell. He sd. they had a lot of bugs to work out, but the motor was super strong. He's been on the road, so I haven't got to talk to him lately to see how it's going.